@gutocmtt @kaluma
I hope they’re not watching for good gameplay... he is certainly not going to deliver on that account.

@miryafa The best strategy against Survival decks is to win outside the combat step. If your deck always or nearly always wins by attacking with creatures you cast you probably don’t have a favorable matchup. Dredge and Oath can both fight in the combat step, but I don’t think either is really favored by much, of at all.

@gutocmtt
All the more reason to keep Goblin Cratermaker around!

@kaluma
Right, that just so happens to be the normal Oath deck (Dacks and/or Grudges). I’d cut all the DRS before I cut any Hollow Ones, but I’d cut HO before any VV or BR.

@kaluma personally I take Hollow Ones and maybe a Bazaar instead of Vengevine, Wonder, and Rootwala vs Oath. Keeping the ability to Survival out 19 or more damage EoT is better than artifacts they want to Dack or Grudge anyways.

@gutocmtt
I prefer the second Trophy. It’s far superior imo. Only worse against Shops, but not much worse. It is 100% better vs Oath, better in the mirror and vs Dredge (blowing up Bazaar is pretty decent).
To me the only time Shops is tough is when they lead on Trinisphere or can put incredible pressure via Overseer on turn 1. Claim does help in the latter case, but not necessarily the former.

@aeonsovarius
Pharaoh: what are you trying to remove? Most decks don’t attack with creatures that matter, and the things you’d really like to get are often indestructible or draw around 14 cards. I guess it could be interesting against Oath unless they land Niv Mizzet?

Arbor: yeah, I played it for a couple weeks this summer and the number of times it was helpful to me were few, where the number of times it was actively bad were many.

Bloodghast: it hasn’t played because it doesn’t actually synergize with Vengevine and you have to discard it to ever get it back. That’s a lot of work for a 2/1.

@aeonsovarius
Vengeful Pharoah: not a relevant ability for Vinage games.

Mental Misstep: I’ve been playing 3 in a non-FoW, non-Thalia version and been pleased with it.

Dryad Arbor: is fine, not great. The Survival interaction is neat but hardly something you’ll do. Works well if you want to play Cradle though.

Mana Confluence: you could build the mana base off these if you wanted, but you’d have to eschew DRS.

@griselbrother
I could certainly see a UG Show and Tell/ Channel/Eureka deck with giant Eldrazi dudes being super annoying.

@yayjinaz
yeah, I think the list is good in general. Just never understood the third Savannah. Good luck!