@rat3de in my experience developing Survival, that’s not really true when you play normal cards. Phoenix, for example, is castable and is a decent clock. Wasteland/Strip Mine are fine cards and offer a quality plan even without using Loam. They just happen to work together.

Edit: I lied, not working on this. Phoenix are over 50 tix. Not spending that much to brew rn.

There was a thread for Bazaar control, by @YakuzaXRock I think. Perhaps some inspiration can be found there?

In fact, I think I’ll work on something this afternoon. I’m thinking Loam/Wasteland/Strip Mine all sound lovely. Ancient Grudge, Deep Analysis, maybe even Accumulated Knowledge...

Deep Analysis seems too good not to play, right?

@desolutionist
You’re encouraging me to bust out some Lake of the Dead... that’s not nice!

@13nova
Pack Rat is another reasonable choice in lieu of the Oath idea.

@aeonsovarius
I almost always side out a VV. Sometimes 2. Idk what you took both with Squee and Wonder our for, or in what matches, but it’s not an awful plan.

My suspicion is, at least in Vintage, that this rule would make mulliganing your average 7 correct. If you have 1-2 more lands than you might want or whatever that you’d probably keep now, this new rule encourages you to ship it instead. I don’t think that’s good.

The other issue I see is in paper, it will make it easier for bad actors to cheat during the mulligan process.

@gutocmtt
That’s interesting, I actually prefer Null Rod vs Shops. Hurkyl’s was something I fiddled with to be good vs PO while keeping my blue count high post board for FOW

@gutocmtt hurkyl’s is pretty good vs PO too. It basically works like Counterspell in that matchup.

@aeonsovarius
Based on what you expect, it’s worthwhile to consider Hurkyl’s Recall over Energy Flux. It’s far better against PO while still being something against Shops if you happen to run into it.