@trius Except they don't take a knee for sportsmanship. It is the higher +ev play than running their offense- less risk of injury or disastrous negative outcome.

They are needlessly giving you information (about their decision making, play patterns, attitude, possibly deck contents), so you should be actively pleased when they do this.

Been following this thread for a while but finally have something (kinda) to contribute.

In the past, I dabbled with Thalia in Gush token decks and found the combination of Thalia and free counterspells to be the best possible thing you could be doing against other blue or combo decks (2 year old list for reference) The deck was critically weak to Workshops, however, because I was basically taking a Gush deck and adding 4 more cards that were bad against Shops to it. Can we get a couple Thalia to fit in one of these Force/Survival decks?

Here's a 62 card GUWB version with 17 blue cards that needs cards cut. Thalia eats into the blue flex count just a little too much it seems. Maybe someone with more confidence can't find the non-blue cuts. Cutting Jet and the black splash and going straight Bant would get you to 61, but with 1 fewer mana source than @kaluma's BUG (only 3 DRS/Hierarchs here because I added a fourth mox.) Maindeck Squee is another unfortunate casualty.

// 60 + 2 Maindeck (What to cut?)
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Elvish Spirit Guide

Survival Core
4 Basking Rootwalla
4 Hollow One
4 Vengevine
4 Survival of the Fittest
4 Bazaar of Baghdad

17 Permanent Mana Sources + Lotus
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Forest
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Tropical Island
2 Mana Confluence
1 Savannah
1 Tundra
1 Bayou
2 Windswept Heath

12 Blue cards + 5 random cards that are also blue = 17
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Force of Will
4 Mental Misstep
1 Time Walk
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Wonder

1 Vendilion Clique
1 Trygon Predator
1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Spellseeker

@griselbrother said in LCV September -21 Players - Top16 Decklists:

Well, Mentor is probably the best card ever printed, so it's no surprise. It really should be banned. And I'm very liberal in regards to the banned/restricted list.

best card ever not modern playable confirmed

You know, I bet this format would be better if WoTC didn't let a few Twitch streamers make the restriction decisions for the past 3 years.

We found the Anticipate of discard effects.

Count on vintage players to never get set abbreviations right.

Shops is the tempo/prison deck you're imagining the format is missing. Mishra's Workshop and Ancient Tomb are very obviously what you need to have to facilitate playing 30 creatures.

They can push non-artifact creatures ad infinitum, if the broken mana's not there, they're all just marginal sidegrades over each other and you can't get them into play fast enough. Archetype needs at least Caverns 5-8. The current Survival decks are good evidence of this; they're using Bazaar as mana accelerant broken enough to facilitate a hatebear gameplan. No accident the most successful Thalia decks of late use either Ancient Tomb/Eldrazi Temple or Bazaar of Baghdad.

@stuart Nah that splash is all about Energy Flux