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So what it boils down to is that people are unwilling to play cards against a certain deck because the peirce perceived number of pilots is small.

Whether the numbers are actually larger or simple tournament variance you have to face then "more than your fair share" things feel pretty shitty and you go home . That's life.

Decks preying on the opponent not being prepared for game 1 has such a long history in magic it is really hard to see that as a reason for changing. Weissman and a bunch of his contemporaries brought zoo to one of the first GP's because everyone else was on something soft to it. Dredge had played on this since the mechanic was printed. Dark Times had Leylines for dredge. With so many blue pilots perforating for the mirror, workshop falls into this category as well.

Did people call for banning rocket launchers in halo 1 because they disrupted honorable pistol duels? Yes but everybody laughed them off because they were part of the format and gave the user haggling weaknesses in other areas. Artillery in world of Tanks; same thing. Why do magic players feel they are different?

There are so many choices to be made in vintage. Not just the ones you make during the game. You CHOOSE to pay the archetype you do. You CHOOSE to play with that 75. You CHOOSE every game action to take you to that point in the tournament. Yes it can be frustrating, yes it can leave you cold when you hit an unwanted or unexpected match up but you live with it. Maybe next time you learn.

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Well another year has come and gone this past weekend saw the Eternal players of Australia descend upon Melbourne to battle it out to be named the Australian Champion of their respective format. Players keen to show off their abilities in Vintage, Legacy, or Australian 7pt Highlander or any combination of the three made their way to battle it out it what promises to be one of our largest eternal events of 2016.

Since its inception in 2010 (well preexisting 2016's Eternal Masters Product :P) , the Eternal MASTERS series of tournaments have captured the psyche of the Australian Eternal players and the winners are routinely dubbed National Champions in their respective formats, doubly so for Vintage. Without further Ado I would like to congratulate Andy Horne, a longtime stalwart of Vintage, for becoming our newest Australian Vintage Champion. Andy and his trusty Walking Fish deck - whose evolution can be found among my various tournament reports on archive.themanadrain.com - defeated his opponent, Morgan Sedaitis, on his trusty Dredge list in three games to become Champion.

A great big thank you to everybody who made it out this year. It was such a pleasure to see all of you again. It was unfortunate that the Vintage numbers were smaller this year but I have no doubt this will jump back up in future years. Seeing everybody in the community at these events is such a big thing for me personally and I love the chance to catch up, play some games and smash the various metagames from around Australia to see who really is the best 😛

At the end of the day the final standings were:
Final Standings - Name - (Swiss points)

  1. Andy Horne - Walking Fish (10)

  2. Morgan Sedaitis - Dredge (10)

  3. Joshua Butler - Dark Petition Storm (13)

  4. Lachlan Saunders - Salvagers Oath (10)

  5. Beckett Wolfe - BUG Oath (12)

  6. Graham King - Terror Nova (11)

  7. Daniel Unwin - Doomsday Gifts (11)

  8. Karl Reeves - Burning Oath (10)

  9. Jared Allsop - 5C Humans (10) - Missed by 4% OMW%

  10. Jacob Dunn - Grixis

  11. Nicholas Chmielewski - SYlvan Mentor

  12. Jared Mallet - Sylvan Mentor

  13. Tim Hughes - Merfolk

  14. Lee Greaves - Eldrazi

  15. Ben McCoy - Esper Mentor

  16. Leigh Holland - Jeskai Delver

  17. Phillipe Vincent - Jeskai Delver

  18. James 'Jimbo' Dowling - UWr Landstill

  19. Stephen Meade - BUG Fish

  20. Lachlan Ward-Smith - GW Hatebears

  21. Tom Sullivan - Tezzeret

  22. Christopher Turner - Z.Orb Mentor

  23. Jackson Mcall-Pearce - Abzan Hatebears

  24. Jitesh Raniga - Sylvan Mentor

  25. Tom Ribet - Mono R Stax

  26. Timothy Tai - Golden Gun Oath

  27. Will Wong - Grixis Control

  28. Socrates Stavropolous - U/W Landstill

  29. Tim Dolphin - Elephant Oath
    30)Jacen Bishop - Blistercoil Combo

  30. Matthew Larcombe - High Tide

  31. Jason Mcalister - Illusions/Donate

  32. ???

Top 9 Decklists - 9th place ended on the same points as 5th at the end of the Swiss after all.

  1. Andy Horne - Walking Fish
    2 Path to Exile
    2 Abrupt Decay
    3 Swords to Plowshares
    1 Kataki, War's Wage
    1 Trygon Predator
    2 Aven Mindcensor
    3 Knight of the Reliquary
    3 Qasali Pridgemage
    4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    3 Containment Priest
    4 Dark Confidant
    4 Noble Hierarch
    1 Time Walk
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Mox Sapphire
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Bayou
    3 Cavern of Souls
    2 Horizon Canopy
    1 Karakas
    2 Savannah
    1 Scrubland
    1 Strip Mine
    1 Tropical Island
    4 Wasteland
    4 Windswept Heath

Sideboard:
1 Glissa, the Traitor
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Mindbreak Trap
3 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Zealous Persecution
1 Illness in the Ranks
1 Path to Exile
2 Mental Misstep

  1. Morgan Sedaitis - Dredge
    1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
    4 Unmask
    4 Narcomoeba
    4 Bloodghast
    4 Bridge from Below
    4 Cabal Therapy
    2 Dread Return
    2 Golgari Thug
    4 Ichorid
    4 Leyline of the Void
    4 Stinkweed Imp
    4 Golgari Grave troll
    1 Dragonlord Kolaghan
    4 serum Powder
    4 Bazaar of Baghdad
    2 Darkmor Salvage
    4 Mana Confluence
    4 Undiscovered Paradise

Sideboard:
4 Barbarian Ring
4 Ingot Chewer
4 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Nature's Claim

  1. Joshua Butler - Dark Petition Storm
    3 Polluted Delta
    2 Bloodstained Mire
    4 Underground Sea
    1 Badlands
    1 Tolarian Academy
    1 Library of Alexandria
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Mox Sapphire
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Lion's Eye Diamond
    1 Mana Vault
    1 Necropotence
    1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
    4 Thoughtseize
    4 Gitaxian Probe
    4 Dark Petition
    2 Cabal Therapy
    1 Demonic Tutor
    1 Wheel of Fortune
    1 Timetwister
    1 Ponder
    1 Time Walk
    1 Mind's Desire
    1 Tendril's of Agony
    1 Yawgmoth's Will
    4 Dark Ritual
    2 Cabal Ritual
    2 Hurkyl's Recall
    1 Vampiric Tutor
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Brainstorm
    1 Chain of Vapor

Sideboard:
3 Defence Grid
3 Ancient Tomb
1 Rebuild
1 Island
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Ravenous Trap
1 Sadistic Sacrament
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Tendrils of Agony

  1. Lachlan Saunders - Salvagers Oath
    4 Oath of Druids
    1 Griselbrand
    1 Auriok Salvagers
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Mox Sapphire
    1 Mox Ruby
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Time Walk
    1 Time Vault
    1 Voltaic Key
    1 Dig Through Time
    1 Treasure Cruise
    1 Vampiric Tutor
    1 Demonic Tutor
    4 Mental Misstep
    2 Flusterstorm
    1 Black Lotus
    4 Force of Will
    1 Ponder
    2 Preordain
    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    1 Brainstorm
    1 Pyryte Spellbomb
    1 Tendrils of Agony
    1 Engineered Explosives
    1 Ancient Grudge
    1 Yawgmoth's Will
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Mana Crypt
    2 Dack Fayden
    4 Forbidden Orchard
    4 Scalding Tarn
    1 Underground Sea
    1 Tundra
    1 Tropical Island
    1 Volcanic Island
    1 Library of Alexandria
    1 Tolarian Academy
    1 Island

Sideboard:
1 Balance
2 Steel Sabotage
1 Mindbreak Trap
2 Toxic Deluge
2 Energy Flux
1 Magus of the Moat
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Ravenous Trap

  1. Beckett Wolfe - BUG Oath
    4 Forbidden Orchard
    4 Oath of Druids
    3 Underground Sea
    2 Tropical Island
    3 Misty Rainforest
    3 Polluted Delta
    1 Island
    1 Strip Mine
    1 Library of Alexandria
    4 Preordain
    1 Mana Drain
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Yawgmoth's Will
    4 Force of Will
    1 Chalice of the Void
    1 Time Vault
    1 Flusterstorm
    1 Treasure Cruise
    1 Dig Through Time
    1 Ponder
    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    1 Sensei's Divining Top
    1 Pernicious Deed
    1 Tinker
    1 Blightsteel Colossus
    1 Griselbrand
    1 Time Vault
    1 Voltaic Key
    1 Tezzeret the Seeker
    3 Mental Misstep
    1 Misdirection
    1 Engineered Explosives
    1 Demonic Tutor
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Brainstorm
    1 Memory's Journey
    1 Spell Pierce

Sideboard:
1 Null Rod
1 Swan Song
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Ravenous Trap
2 Pithing Needle
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Nature's Claim
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Pernicious Deed

  1. Graham King - Terror Nova
    4 Mishra's Workshop
    4 Ancient Tomb
    4 Wasteland
    4 Mishra's Factory
    4 Mutavault
    1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    1 Tolarian Academy
    1 Strip Mine
    1 Mox Ruby
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Mox Sapphire
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Sol Ring
    4 Dismember
    4 Thought Knot Seer
    4 Phyrexian Revoker
    4 Phyrexian Metamorph
    1 Lodestone Golem
    4 Sphere of Resistance
    4 Thorn of Amethyst
    4 Null Rod
    2 Sculpting Steel

Sideboard:
4 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Smokestack
2 The Tabernacle at Pendrel Vale
2 Pithing Needle
1 Karakas

  1. Daniel Unwin - Doomsday Gifts
    4 Underground Sea
    3 Bloodstained Mire
    2 Marsh Flats
    2 Verdant Catacombs
    4 Polluted Delta
    1 Swamp
    4 Doomsday
    4 Gifts Ungiven
    4 Dark Ritual
    4 Force of Will
    2 Gitaxian Probe
    1 Street Wraith
    1 Laboratory Maniac
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Cabal Ritual
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Mox Sapphire
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Gush
    1 Thoughtseize
    1 Imperial Seal
    1 Duress
    1 Time Walk
    1 Brainstorm
    1 Ponder
    1 Demonic Tutor
    1 Vampiric Tutor
    1 Mystical Tutor
    1 Night's Whisper
    1 Yawgmoth's Will
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Necropotence
    1 Tendrils of Agony
    1 Hurkyl's Recall
    1 Defense Grid

Sideboard:
3 Hurkyl's Recall
4 Tormod's Crypt
1 Thing in the Ice
1 Snuff Out
1 Chain of Vapor
2 Defense Grid
2 Mental Misstep
1 Library of Alexandria

  1. Karl Reeves - Burning Oath
    2 Chrome Mox
    4 Mana Confluence
    4 Duress
    2 Hurkyls Recall
    1 Yawgmoths Bargain
    4 Oath of Druids
    2 Mox Opal
    4 Forbiden Orchard
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Mox Ruby
    1 Mox Saphire
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Time Twister
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Time Walk
    4 Burning Wish
    4 Dark Ritual
    1 Tinker
    2 Gemstone Mine
    1 Ponder
    1 Necropotence
    1 Mana Vault
    1 Vampiric Tutor
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Demonic Tutor
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Tolarian Academy
    1 Lion's Eye Diamond
    2 Griselbrand
    1 Wheel of Fortune
    1 Windfall
    1 Brainstorm
    1 Memory Jar
    1 Mind's Desire

Sideboard:
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Nature's Claim
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Show and Tell
1 Diminishing Returns
1 Laboratory Maniac
4 Ancient Tomb
1 Tendril's of Agony
1 Balance

  1. Jared Allsop - 5C Humans
    1 Strip Mine
    4 Mana Confluence
    1 Wasteland
    4 Gemstone Mine
    4 City of Brass
    4 Cavern of Souls
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Mox Ruby
    1 Mox Sapphire
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Time Walk
    3 Abrupt Decay
    4 Noble Hierarch
    3 Containment Priest
    3 Dark Confidant
    2 Grand Abolisher
    3 Mayor of Avabruck
    3 Qasali Pridemage
    4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    3 Mantis Rider
    2 Reflector Mage
    4 Scab-Clan Beserker

Sideboard:
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Reflector Mage
1 Grand Abolisher
2 Meddling Mage
3 Stony Silence
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Rest in Peace
2 Grafdigger's Cage

Once again a great thanks to all the players who made it down to to the event. I hope you had as good of a time as I did. I hope to see you all again next year.

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Hey everybody.

I thought it would be a good thing to have a resource to have the info of which players in our community are streaming, at what times, and most importantly where it will be streamed.

Whether you are a regular streamer or you have an event coming up that is likely to be streamed feel free to add the info in this thread. I will regularly update the OP with the information given below for regular streamers etc.

Please note that this is not restricted to MTGO. If you have a paper event coming up add the info to get the address out there so more people can find your stream etc. Consider it more free advertising!

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Hi everybody.

As we have to re-register for the new Mana Drain we all get the chance to choose a new username if we wish.

I have chosen to intergrate this and my twitter account @VintageFamiliar so others don't get confused when trying to contact me. My old account "Shrewarmies" has been retired.

I was wondering if anyone else has chosen to change their username so we can provide a continuity of style/personality despite the changes.

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I am really unnerved at there being no borders.

The alternating borders would be a step in the right direction but there is just too much white space for me all over the site. I assume it will be filled in with stuff in the future but it looks pretty threadbare at the moment.

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Some similar tables to what has been done for various other events recently.

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Decklists would ideally be capitalised and not contain "short hand" card names,

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@Aaron-Patten said:

Oath and Golem are distinct in that Golem is a threat and disruption while Oath is not. Golem requires a very specific and narrow set of answers while oath has a plethora of non Force of Will answers available in almost every colour and every strategy. Another issues is that you absolutely have to have a restricted card in your opening hand or you auto lose against Golem whereas with other threats you don't.

Yet if you look at most "blue" decks in the format you will see that most will run removal for golem in the main. Be this Lightning Bolt, Swords, TMS, or the rarer Disenchant/Hurkyls. Very few decks run enchantment removal main. So whilst you are correct that Golem requires more specialised removal, pilots are more prepared for Golem than oath in the main at least.

I think one of the major things to happen in this story that nobody is talking about is the loss of the spell-like creature. The rise of the delver deck (and its variants e.g. mentor) has really driven out many of the non-combat oriented creatures. Which would continue to have their effects under spheres etc. That has made workshop pilots lives a lot easier in terms of controlling the board.

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I really feel confused.

First of all to amalgamate Workshop decks but not Gush decks is disengenuous it best and blatantly wrong at worst.

Yes workshop was strong. But can anybody argue against Gush decks doing just as well if not better than workshops by any measurable definition.

Ignoring Dredge for the moment there was a kind of rock paper scissors thing going on between the Gush, the Shop, and the Big Mana Blue decks where Gush beat the Big Mana but was a dog to Shops; Big Mana had a better time vs shops but lost hard to Gush; and shops which obviously crushed Gush but had a harder time vs the Big Blue.

Now they have gutted shops (and the loss of lodestone IS a gutting. Not the end of shops but they will go down) the gush decks now have gained a lot vs Shops and retained their full advantage over the Big Mana Blue. The Big mana lost a great deal of the advantage they had in the metagame in this change.

It's like banning rock in RPS.

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Better late than never but thank you so much for keeping these pages live. There is simply so much on those old pages that for them to go dark it would have been heartbreaking.

Here in Australia I have been following up with the the owners of many of the Local forums from the late 20's and early '10's which have gone dark and in most cases it seems like we have simply lost all the data from those times. This includes Vintage but it is especially hard in the case of Australian 7pt Highlander which is obviously not played anywhere else.

Thank you once again.

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@Smmenen said:

Except, I was actually right, using the measure we were discussing.

The statistic we were discussing was % of DE/ month.

Using the daily event breakdown by week, your data obscures this trend:

Here is the percentage of Gush decks in the DE's during the time period you covered, but organized by month:

Gush as % of DEs by Month

Gush was 61.66% of the April (post-restriction) metagame, but 41.4% of May, but declined to 38% in June. The declines are even more steep if you slice up the data in other ways, like focusing on 4-0s, etc.

I applaud this kind of detailed analysis, and really appreciate your hard work here - but it's not only tasteless (and rude) to throw digs at me (or anyone) like you did with your parenthetical jab, but it's embarrassing when what you are trying to critique me for isn't even accurate, using the metrics from the original context.

Suggestions: in the future, I recommend doing breakdowns both by week, but also by month. The second half of June had far fewer daily's fire. Also, dis-aggregating 4-0 and 3-1 decks is also worth doing, just to monitor the results, if nothing else.

You are actually hilarious.