Thank you for the thoughts. I guess I look at sportsmanship through the vein on American Football. When you are up and there is seconds left in the game, you take a knee. You don't try for a superfluous TD. I also don't feel like the losing team should just walk off the field once they know they are out of it. They line up and finish the game despite knowing they cannot win.

I probably should just scoop. It will likely always be a pet peeve of mine. Attacking me for 20 or 120 give you the exact same win and I do feel like it is showboating. To be fair, my response was a bit immature so I have some lessons I can learn myself.

I've had a trend of opponents that continue to xerox out pyromancer/mentor tokens when they have an attacking win on the board. Yesterday, this happened twice while I was empty handed so there was no threat that I could do anything to win the game.

I tend to play to a win, so I'll scoop with an attacking win or a demonstrated combo loop, but I expect people to win when they are able. I don't feel like I should have to scoop because they want to see how many tokens they can make. It's a waste of my time. Am I in the wrong here to be upset that these opponents don't just win the game?

Good Luck and Have Fun Everyone!!!

@garbageaggro It just didn't work out this year so I have to miss it. I would have loved to be there.

I'm pretty excited about the format. I built a group of 8 that fit both "premodern" and "middleschool" rules. In general in casual formats like this, I'm not super interested in combo which is really the only thing these banned lists are for (with a few exceptions). It's not like there is a super competitive scene where you need to win an event. I just got to build some of my favorites from history:

• Sligh
• Stompy
• U/G Madness
• U/G Control (Adrian Sullivan Style)
• Zombie Clerics
• Song of Blood Aggro
• Slivers
• Goblins

Should be a blast!

Contempt is pretty strong. More indifference from me right now. I share some of the same views made above.

I do feel like vintage has been muddled with the other formats. Many vintage decks are essentially just modern/legacy decks with power. It was not that long ago when vintage decks did not look like decks from any other format.

I don't like a lot of the cards printed recently, especially G.probe, Dig, and Mental Misstep.

Misstep greatly limits my ability to brew which is part of what fuels my fun in an environment.

I don't hate blue, but I do dislike that WOTC gave up on the balancing aspect of blue which was supposed to be poor creatures. Instead, blue has the highest percentage of best creatures among the elite creatures (Delver, Snapcaster, True-name, V.Clique all make my top ten list for best creatures).

Mostly though I am just not that interested in the competitive decks at the moment. I would love for something to shake up the environment in a different way. While PO is fairly new, all it really did was replace storm in the meta so it feels similar. Hollow One just made Dredge competitive again but it's essentially the same deck. I want something that shakes the format up a bit but is not so broken that it's just a short term meta that will be fixed via B&R. I'm not sure what that would take. I think the most obvious way to do this is drastic changes to the current B&R either with a lot of removals or additions, or with some rules changes (like banning instead of restricting) These are very controversial and would bring a bunch of discord. Eventually the meta will shift. It always does and when it does, I'll play more vintage.

I don't think counterspells are the real issue, but the end result of the underlying issue with deck manipulation. If you look at "counterspell" decks prior to all of the 1 mana brainstorm/ponder/preordain/dig (and sometimes snapcaster to do it again), they really needed regularly dedicated a lot more slots to counterspells in order to ensure they could always have a counter ready. Randy Buehler's old Draw-Go list had 21 counterspells. The typical vintage landstill (my take for the current most traditional counterspell deck) has 11-13 depending on if they run pyroblast. With all the extra deck manipulation, the blue mage can consistently have countermagic with fewer actual slots taken up

This is in my opinion part of the reason for the "uncounterable" cards we have gotten. These cards come with their own cost. Cavern is great as long as you can use the colored mana to cast your creature. Often, it is on "Human" because you needed to cast that Thalia but then your Eldrazi no longer have that fail safe (for example). Abrupt decay is great but is fairly limited both by color and by targeting restrictions. No one really cares about any of the other uncounterable spells.

I feel these uncounterable cards were in part plays to force interaction other than countering spells.

I don't care about prize support but:

• If I am paying a substantial fee to play, then I expect there to be support. Renting space is expensive and it all compounds on itself

• I won't endure the expense of substantial travel (requiring hotel and likely airfare) for a small event or for no added incentive

• The added incentive of title was always the big draw for me at eternal weekend. Winning the title of world champion is worth so much more than credit, art, or cards

I would say that Old School might have some influence on turnout, but I think calling it the reason is not accurate. I think that many people are just not as interested because the meta is not interesting anymore (for some - like me). I expect that will not always be true. These things shift all the time. In the interim, I'd rather spend my time on a format that I enjoy more at the moment.

In a sense, I may have gotten out of Vintage had it not been for Old School. I've certainly been tempted to sell out with the crazy price spikes of the last few years but my love for Old School has kept my cards in my hands. I know part of that spike is due to Old School in the first place, but if I hadn't picked it up myself, I'd be far more tempted to cash out.

I love Vintage but I currently have more fun playing Old School. I'd prefer to play both over the span of a trip.

Vintage is almost impossible to play in paper if you don't live in one of a handful of places that actually have enough players to support the game. I don't live in one of those areas so I play MTGO. For me it's good enough but I would much rather play IRL. There are some Old School events in the Midwest so I can actually attend paper events.

I'm pretty bored with the competitive viable vintage decks right now. I think vintage is balanced, I'm just not as interested as I have been in other metagames.

I'm skipping Eternal Weekend this year. I would love to go but life made it complicated and having it over Halloween again was the nail in the coffin for me.

I think there is plenty of room for both. Old School offers another way for me to play with my favorite cards.

I liked Breakthrough a lot when I was trying this deck type. I'm a bit surprised no one incorporated that in their updated builds. It's pretty solid. I don't think I would play 4 like I had in my trial runs a few months ago but I still would have a few if I revisited this archetype.