@ChubbyRain

Holy shit dude. Talk about spewing verbal diarrhea and hatred. Your post above should be moderated and warned. But I guess they don't do that on the new TMD site. It's posts like these that cross the line and go too far.

You're a good person in real life but maybe you need to take a step back and look at what you post here before clicking submit or whatever. Good lord that was terrible.

@Smmenen I agree the metagame is already pretty well decided. I was hoping from Probe and Mentor to leave, not gush. I will continue brewing, testing, and grinding.

You cats need to settle down a little. See you guys at NYSE

Played this in a local event to finish with a 4-0 record taking first and coming home with a Tundra! 16 players came to battle in Allentown, PA @ Cloud City Games! Deck and list felt great!!!

I built this to prey on Gush token decks, shops, and eldrazi. Turns out it does just that...

AVACYN ANGELS

2 Jace the Mind Sculptor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
2 Fact of Fiction
1 Dig Through Time
1 Senseis Divining Top
1 Brainstorm

2 Archangel Avacyn
2 Snapcaster Mage
2 Vendillion Clique
1 Notion Thief

2 Moat
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Engineered Explosives
4 Swords to Plowshares

4 Force of Will
2 Mana Drain
4 Mental Misstep
2 Flusterstorm

1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Karakas
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
1 Marsh Flats
3 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
3 Island
2 Plains

SIDEBOARD
2 Path to Exile
2 Disenchant
2 Steel Sabotage
1 Grafdiggers Cage
2 Containment Priest
3 Rest in Peace
1 Notion Thief
1 Balance
1 Supreme Verdict

Rd 1 UWR Landstill with Mentor
G1 - Moat holding the fort. Sneak in Avacyn and friends
G2 - Avacyn under Standstill. Forcing the issue and win

Rd 2 TKS Shops
G1 - Sphere and Ravager turn 1. Almost come back but TKS seals it
G2 - Grind to mid game and land a Moat. I control Hangarback and Ravagers from doing anything.
G3 - I have 2 moxen 2 Sabotage 1 land. Play my stuff Sabotage a few spells, play Jace and control into Avacyn win

Rd 3 Dan Miller on 4c Gush
G1 - Turn 1 Mentor off Lotus but 1 land. I Swords him Misstep back. I sit on Library a few turns. Clique trades with a token. Then Notion Thief steals a Gush draw and win from there.
G2 - He forces my FOF and Jace. I Thief a Gush draw and control the game. I counter Sphinx and yawg will. Land 2nd Thief and coast to win

Rd 4 Blue Moon
G1 - Clique into Jace into Avacyn wins
G2 - Control the Game and Clique gets him to 6 life and a top deck Chandra does things after I fatesealed it to bottom earlier
G3 - He's on a mulligan to 5. I have Recall and play draw go a few turns and land a Jace and he goes the distance

Conclusion. I can't wait to play again

People say every deck uses probe? No. Only the decks that generally cheat on Mana and sometimes oath. Probe is the last card on the list of things I brew with unless I'm sleeving up a token generator. I'm fine with probe. If people want to fill their decks with peek, that's cool. I personally hate Misstep more than anything. It would make 1 cmc removal spells vs mentor relevant again, and people would actually have to think about a counter package and not auto start with 3 or 4 Misstep. It was a terrible card in Legacy and it's a terrible card to play with in vintage.

So a few weeks ago I played in a local legacy event winning the while event on a sweet 4c Landstill brew coming home with a time vault. I immediately thought the same deck design could win in vintage. So I tweaked the Mana base to fix moxes, and dropped 3 Brainstorm and added leos, vamp, and recall. Just some minor tweaks. Well 2 days ago I ran the deck at Top Deck Games in NJ to a top 4 finish. It was 36 players 6 rounds of swiss. I swept the Swiss going 5-0-1 (got paired down in round 5 and had to play) not losing a single game. And then I won game 1 of the top 8. So I strung off 11 straight wins which I've never done before and I found really cool.

What makes this list very similar to legacy landstill is the fact that it battles more on the board and less on the stack especially in game 1s. Historically vintage landstill has a heavy counter suite main deck. But I wanted to try fighting very fair on the stack in game 1, but have the opportunity to board in some additional counters and control measures post board. So here's the list, hope you guys enjoy. I would run this same 75 with no changes.

4c Landstill

4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Jace the Mind Sculptor
2 Snapcaster Mage
2 Leovold Emmisary of Trest

4 Standstill
1 Brainstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Vampiric Tutor

1 Pernicious Deed
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Swords to Plowshares

4 Force of Will
2 Mana Drain
3 Mental Misstep

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
3 Polluted Delta
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
2 Tropical Island
2 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
1 Swamp
1 Mishras Factory
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Treetop Village
2 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

SIDEBOARD
2 Mindbreak Trap
1 Flusterstorm
3 Containment Priest
1 Extirpate
2 Null Rod
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Ceremonious Rejection
2 Nature's Claim
1 Forest

Rd 1 Michael Caffery Mirror 2-0 win
Rd 2 Miles Agag TKS Shops 2-0 win
Rd 3 Chris Roepke BUG Gush 2-0 win
Rd 4 Sam Dayton Mentor Gush 2-0 win
Rd 5 Zach Doolings Doomsday Gush 2-0 win
Rd 6 ID
T8 Ryan Glackin Inspector Shops 2-1 win
T4 Dan Miller Paradox Mentor 0-2 loss

My loss in t4 was mulligan to 6 game 1 and his hand was powerful. Mulligan to 5 game 2 which had a misstep and a drain and mana but no Null Rod or Leo. I Drain into JTMS but he was still in pretty firm control and he gets me. Net $125. Had fun playing and seeing friends!!!

I, being a life long landstill player, was in fact rooting for the shops pilot. There are many many reasons I was forced into this decision. I will not root for someone whom I don't think deserves it. I will not go into details here...but there are a bunch of people that feel this very same way Soly feels, that were there first hand. It's a damn shame.

@Topical_Island

To be honest I haven't loved thevery new format of TMD. Maybe I got too used to the old format or maybe there's improvements to be made yet...I post more in the Facebook group "vintage magic the gathering" than I do TMD anymore.

With all that being said I will attempt to post more in here and thank you for the kind words

UR LANDSTILL is well positioned vs Mentor and the metagame in general. The sideboard can also run Sulfur Elementals to put it even further over the top. Handed this list to a friend and he lost in the t4 and plowed through multiple mentor decks throughout the day!

3 Jace the Mind Sculptor
2 Dack Fayden
1 Crucible of Worlds

4 Standstill
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Dig Through Time

2 Engineered Explosives
1 Rolling Earthquake
1 Volcanic Fallout
4 Sudden Shock

4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
2 Flusterstorm
3 Mental Misstep
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Spell Pierce

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby

1 Flooded Strand
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Volcanic Island
2 Island
1 Mountain
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Faerie Conclave
4 Mishras Factory
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

I absolutely love how "The Source" legacy forums are set up. It's actually my favorite set up for furums. Moreso than this set up or the old TMD. I find it extremely easy to navigate from one deck to the next and find example deck lists within each archetype/deck because everything is separated so well and organized. I only play in legacy events a couple times a year and I find it very easy to study a metagame thanks the the source. I agree with what @diophan was saying completely. The source is a great...source...of well organized information on that format!

@brianpk80 Thanks Brian, those are really great suggestions and I'll have to test them out for sure! Thanks for the tips!

I am oshkoshhaitsyosh (my old TMD name) on cockatrice! I'm on East cost time. Feel free to add me

@revengeanceful

This is basically because this site has become very unorganized and not moderated at all...or not enough.

I've often used the Source (legacy forums) as a gold standard for organization. This site isn't what it used to be on orfanization or moderation. And this less quality posting happens.

This card was designed to go in a Standstill deck

@ChubbyRain

Holy shit dude. Talk about spewing verbal diarrhea and hatred. Your post above should be moderated and warned. But I guess they don't do that on the new TMD site. It's posts like these that cross the line and go too far.

You're a good person in real life but maybe you need to take a step back and look at what you post here before clicking submit or whatever. Good lord that was terrible.

@Smmenen I agree the metagame is already pretty well decided. I was hoping from Probe and Mentor to leave, not gush. I will continue brewing, testing, and grinding.

You cats need to settle down a little. See you guys at NYSE

@ChubbyRain

Thank you for quoting circle jerks I'm not sure who would use such terms to define a metagame

@ChubbyRain

Well when I mulligan to 6 and 5 both games and never saw a Shock for mentor, yeah I'm going to lose. I guess the answer is, I should just build Outcome, Mentor, or Shops...I know they are the best decks. It doesn't mean they are fun. I've played mentor with infinite success in the past so you playing "only 2 mentor" in your blue deck with a billion draw spells, isn't interesting at all to me. Draw a billion cards, cast your unfair win con and counter relevant things...furthermore that hatebear deck was just an idea and it didn't work. Losing to turn 1-2 vault key or mentor while I don't draw hate happened too often. People were crying about mentor and still are...wel vault key is just as brainless haha. I've moved away from Hate Bears and Eldrazi because they're incredibly too inconsistent.

Big ol' circle jerk of SHOP/MENTOR/OUTCOME. Sick life

@desolutionist said in Where is Oath right now?:

Oath is one of those decks that sounds good in theory but can be hit or miss in reality. For me the tensions are between the counter/disruption package and Oath package. You don't want to start the game with a hand that has all disruption and no Oath, you could have an Oath and a good mix of spells but no Orchards to trigger Oath, or worst of all you can have your Oath targets in your hand!

So for me, Oath is best as a "sideshow" in a deck like Storm. In Storm you aren't so heavily weighted in trying to interact with your opponent, so you're less likely to be in a situation in which you cannot do anything proactive. You have Oath as a threatening turn one play and if it's disrupted then you have Storm to fall back on. And that plan works vice versa; if they have a bunch of Spheres in play to shut down Storm, at least there is always the Oath plan.

On that same concept, perhaps Dark Depths could be another avenue? Could even deploy Loam or Crop Rotation tactics.

That's why you need at least 2 of the 3 creatures castable and need to be able to fight on multiple axis. If you can't figure out how to do that, the deck is terrible

Just listened to this the other day and I agree with @CHA1N5 on him not being sure if Emrakul is actually correct in landstill. I find it to be insanely slow, boarded out in more matchups than I'd like, and honestly ONLY good in a late game grind vs blue. But at that point there are other better options that came down a bunch of turns earlier that already started winning me the game. I'll go on the record and say I only think he's OK in landstill. Feels wrong more often than not

Oh and people will use the argument, restrict Misstep and combo gets too good...no we still have 4 Mindbreak 4 Flusterstorm and permanent based combo hate

People say every deck uses probe? No. Only the decks that generally cheat on Mana and sometimes oath. Probe is the last card on the list of things I brew with unless I'm sleeving up a token generator. I'm fine with probe. If people want to fill their decks with peek, that's cool. I personally hate Misstep more than anything. It would make 1 cmc removal spells vs mentor relevant again, and people would actually have to think about a counter package and not auto start with 3 or 4 Misstep. It was a terrible card in Legacy and it's a terrible card to play with in vintage.