@thewhitedragon69 the issue I find is that by making a deck not soft to Karn, it becomes weak to blue.
I’m fine with that as you can’t have it both ways. But some players want to hedge against everything.
Basically do you want to beat Karn? You can but you’d be a dog to 50% of the meta running blue. If you don’t want to lost to blue, then lose to Karn.
I’m fine with those being the choices, but it seems like others aren’t.
I think one of the biggest things is that people are trying to find ways to beat Karn with their current decks. Maybe a new deck needs to be brewed that has a bad blue or dredge matchup. A deck can’t be “51%” against everything.
Some people disagree, but I don’t particularly hate a rock papers scissors meta.
I play red shops. I think Karn is best when he's in a deck that can abuse him, but not rely on him. Goblin Welder stax is probably worse than mono brown stax, but i like the additional dimension that welder brings.
@zias I've been a player of red shops for a long time. I just jammed 4 Karn in place of some number of Null Rods/lock pieces. Karn is insane. He's really good. I like how he can win on his own, but is even better if the deck is built in a way that doesn't rely on him.
So now the question for shops; grafdggers cage or leylines now?
1G - Instant
You gain 3 life
Storm
Counters a Tendrils kill. Does nothing for Mentor's tokens. I don't think this card is strong enough but it sure is interesting.
Starter: this is the null rod on legs we've all been asking for. Not white, but it shouldn't matter since most of the hatebear type decks run green for DRS anyways. I think this would be really strong in a Junk type hatebear deck.
I’m 100% going to test it. I may even play vault key now as an alternative win con. I think having 8 goblins will make cavern better too.
Turn 1 welder, turn 2 this for insert busted artifact is insane. Having Karn is also great. Man I’m so happy.
I want to brew some sort of red welder/shops vault key grindstone painter crazy deck.
@albarkhane that’s a very fine assessment.
I jammed in Karn and spheres to see how greedy I can be. I may end up shaving some Karns for either more revokers, null rods, or mana. I just wanted to test 4 because the only way to see how good a card initially is is to draw it as often as possible and then slowly shave it down.