@chubbyrain said in [GRN] Experimental Frenzy:
@macdeath I think what you fail to understand is that neither @fsecco and I are trying to break the Vintage metagame. If that happens accidentally, great, but that's really not how brewing is done (at least in my case). It's the process of taking a card or idea and building around it. Too many players get caught up in evaluating a cards "playability" and fail to actually take it a step forward and build a deck. It leads to idiotic rants where cards get labelled "total and utter garbage" or "piece of shit". So I get that you are skeptical of the card. Great, so am I. I think it's a niche card with applicability in a niche deck. Like Belcher, Baral, and many other cards that have seen Vintage play from time to time. That isn't going to stop me from experimenting with it.
Fair enough. This is a narrative I can get behind.
To wrap up the point I was trying to make: this card definitely has some potential in terms of raw power, I just don't think it helps a PO deck address it's structural weaknesses but rather emphasizes them. It's kind of like those Po lists that play expedition map and more broken cards, you can push outcome to a whole new level of speed and brokenness, but you just end up losing so much resiliency in the process.
Which is why the best outcome decks (at least in my opinion) are the less artifact intensive, with a strong basic land mana base, control elements and alternate win cons that are unaffected or less affected by the hate that shuts off the outcome engine (I'm pretty sure you feel the same way about this as well).
I will acknowledge however that this card is very interesting (and fun) to brew lists around. I expect a few people to put up some solid results immediately after release of the card and/or if/when the metagame is not sufficiently prepared for outcome (or in a favorable set of circumstances).
I could potentially see this exacerbating the existing metagame tensions around PO where the format devolves into play Po, play a deck that is designed to beat PO or play a deck that has a decent matchup against po and consistently beats the deck that prey on Po just like Gush and Lodestone were. Let's just hope it doesn't come to that though.