@marland_moore said in Un-restricting cards:
@macdeath First, I'd like to thank you for making clear and coherent points. I think that you are correct about the list of fringe cards. I view this as more of a symbolic thing to unrestrict the cards that you listed in your previous post.
I'd like to go back in time a bit to 2015. Let's look at the time line that @Smmenen created - https://www.eternalcentral.com/timeline-of-vintage/
Without going through an entire history lesson here, I believe several cards that were restricted from 2016 - 2020 would not be restricted today based on power level and game play and the mulligan rules.
Mental Misstep is a very divisive card but in the current Ragavan meta game, I would welcome that card. It would also make several more blue cards that see a Pyroblast as their primary answer more playable.
Narset is considered unfun and I still do not see the difference between that and Hullbreacher. I know @chubbyrain1 pointed out the "Impulse" ability but in a meta where you get free tokens from Urza's Saga, I do not see how it is restricted.
Cards I avoided to point out like Grave Troll should be restricted and Gush should remain restricted but Gitixan Probe makes me scratch my head. You get punished for running that card against the various hatebear decks out there. Mystic Forge cannot be unresticted in Vintage as long as Misrha's Workshop is unrestricted. Golgari Grave Troll should not be unrestricted as long as Bazaar of Baghdad is unrestricted.
I do realized you have a pointed list and this is more free flowing but I would like you to look at the timeline of restrictions from 2015 to now and ask if the cards that exist in MH1 and MH2 were available would these cards have been restricted in the first place.
Personally, I'd like to see Eldrazi be playable again. I like glass canon decks that have a chance at being tier 1 or tier 2. This current meta is expense because all of the "good" cards are new cards. There are a lot of cards that were restricted because of bad meta games and unfun play where solutions now exist.
Force of Negation and Force of Vigor answer Chalice of the Void and Thorn of Amethyst.
The other very notable thing about the restricted list is going from 2015 to 2019 the mulligan rule changed twice. The London mulligan has changed Vintage more than any restriction. The fringe cards you listed will do almost nothing to change Vintage because MH1 and MH2 are so strong and the London mulligan has muted most of the cards that could have any impact - sorry Windfall.
Cards are never restricted for power level reasons, only cards that lead to metagame dominance or unfun games too often. But yeah, almost assuredly Gush, Narset, Karn, Misstep, Probe, Chalice would all warrant restriction right now. Mentor is less sure, as said with mh 1 and 2 power creep. But all of those other cards are miserable in their own way and are still format defining as 1 ofs.
I would be fine if Thorn was unrestricted, if Sphere took it's place. Still leaves the same number of spheres for workshops and lets Eldrazis exist.
If you look historically, the DCI pretty much only ever unrestricts cards once they are guaranteed to have no impact, unless it's Gush which gets unrestricted every 5 years.
I do think that some of those fringe card would see play if unrestricted, Flash is basically unplayable as a 1 of aside from Academy rector applications. As a 4 of, it becomes it's own archetype.
4 Memory Jar should have some workshop potential as well.
Necro and Desire too, at least some players would enjoy playing with those cards.