Hey everyone. Just won a game against dredge on MTGO where I played a Merchant Scroll to get an Ancestral Recall to let them draw three while they were at 2 cards in library and set to win the next turn. That got me thinking what are some of the coolest abnormal ways people have won a game? I always love to hear an incredible win story and people love to brag so lets here them!
@mourningpalace You were not unlucky. You can open them and get way ahead but it is not normal. Goatbots on their website has the EV of them. The EV is 2.23 and you can sell them for more then that. You are literally throwing away value by opening them, unless you value the thrill of playing the lottery.
@topical_island I don't think it is just in response to this last tournament. I have known about and played vintage for 3 years. Shops has been hands down the best deck for the entire time I have known Vintage. It has seen 3 or 4 restrictions in that time and yet still dominates due to new printings. 5 out of 8 at Vintage Champs is a lot but it is just emblematic of the past few years.
@kravkenov I do hope we get them but we don't really need the top 8. 4 shop decks. Some will have tangle wire some won't. 3 Jeskai Mentor. One paradoxical outcome with I think 3 or 4 mentors. You can look at any of the past events on mtgo and see the exact same decks. We are in a 2.5 deck format. The only real question marks are tangle wires or not and by force vs ingot chewer.
@Khahan Thanks for your post. I completely agree. I would obviously conceed in a daily where it I was 1-2 and my opponent is 2-1. All I am doing is helping someone reach payout without affecting anyone else. Like you said there is a time and a place for it. However, I personally would never do it in a tournament that cuts to top 8. I actually find it very problematic when there is a concession to a friend or teammate because it assumes that there will be a reciprocal in the future should be situation be reversed. That at least isn't the case with a stranger.
I'm finding this thread has hit its useful limits. I find it morally unjustifiable to give someone a free win into the top 8 when it keeps someone else out who actually did enough to deserve it. Brian Kelly feels like it is morally unjustifiable to play someone and ruin their top 8 chance when you personally have nothing to play for or gain from it. They are both valid but no ones mind is being changed.
Thanks for your insights! While the things you listed are indeed downsides MTGO is incredibly valuable for vintage for two main reasons. One is the cost. As someone who did not get into magic until about 6 years ago the cost of real life power is astronomical. I could play literally any deck with any card for less then the price of a couple of paper moxen.
The second reason MTGO is incredibly valuable to vintage is that there are lots of games that can be played in a short span. There are no vintage tournaments anywhere near me, sanctioned or proxied. The only way that I can play vintage on a regular basis and improve is through regular play. MTGO presents that on a consistent basis.
One last thought on the Vintage Challenges. I personally would be more willing to try new deck ideas because the odds of placing and getting my money back are much higher than in dailies. I have a hard time not playing either shops or mentor in a daily.
Just my two cents. Thanks for the post!
I used to think it was absurd to restrict workshops because while it gave four repeatable Black Lotuses to one deck I always took comfort in the fact that their cards had a much higher CMC. That is just not true anymore. The CMC of Ravenger Shops is incredibly low. The last couple of years has seen a huge influx of cards in the pool that are artifacts and low CMC. I just don't see how workshops can avoid a restriction in the long term unless we every year or two restrict another cheap artifact. Eventually I feel like the DCI will look at this long list of cards that are restricted because of workshops and just determine that it is better to have workshops restricted than all of these other cards.