I misread this, this card is terrible.

@thewhitedragon69 said in MTG B&R Update Incoming!:

We didn't even get the vanilla "Vintage: No Changes" notice. We got the implied non-notice "Vintage: the format WotC won't even acknowledge, let alone give a F about."

They only mentioned the formats they were modifying. There was no mention of Standard /Commander /etc.

@topical_island said in [BBD] The Kenrith Walkers:

@brass-man we are old... I, I simply have no words.

@brass-man said in [BBD] The Kenrith Walkers:

@topical_island I love the idea of saying the game is marketed to 7 year olds by making a reference to a 25 year old kids show. Maybe WotC isn't dumbing things down... Maybe we're just really old.

This is a reason I really like vintage. I can go play vintage with my friends and we have a lot in common, mortgages, kids, money. I've been to a couple tournaments at a bar.
If I went to the standard FNM that draws most of the players where I live I wouldn't have that comradery, I like vintage because I'm old.

@megustalabanana
Lotus, 2 Moxen and Petal is four secondary sources (40% chance in opener) of mana. Math that out with a 4 off card (40% of 40%) and you get about an 11% chance of it happening turn 1 if theres 4 copies in your deck.
Add in stuff like repeal and chrome or opal mox and your looking at 20ish percent.
This isn't a bad turn 2 play.
I think the home is in a mentor shell. Maybe a PO mentor deck without the PO's. Put in some extra Snapcaster/Jaces. Maybe a blue angel 2.0 deck.

More like a [[hanweir garrison]] than a rabblemaster.

I would 100% play this over [[Icatian Javelineer's]].

@vaughnbros I think against the big threats in vintage I would rather have this. Also, this gets rid Blightsteel. Beast within doesn't.

Is the survival player in the top 8 in Pittsburgh anyone here?

Its a few hours away but I wanted to wish everyone a happy new year!

[[Phyrexian Metamorph]] would be great here.

I don't know if this is possible. But if there was some way of putting a metagame tracker banner. Maybe grabbing deck names of the top few decks from another site. That would be really helpful.

@botvinik
I think its more for use in oath. Endurance is 100% better.

Life gain too.

@moorebrother1
Here's an article on the meta by Joe Dyer
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/vintage-101-q3-metagame-update

@botvinik
I think the reason BUG does well against Ragavan and Saga is Collector Ouphe. The meta is very soft to null rod effects. If I was to brew I would start with that type of deck.

@throwaway
I should clarify contemporary vintage as online vintage. In that case, the current meta is less relevant to an article that quickly goes obsolete. Streaming captures that much better and is (IMO) a better medium for that content. At least much better than a podcast that takes a month to develop and publish.
Vintage also doesn't have the audience it had over the first few years of SMIP. There were several monthly power tournaments in most of the world. There were pick up games of no proxy vintage between games of standard. The world has changed.
I originally got into vintage because there were more vintage tournaments than legacy tournaments in my area and the barrier to entry was about the same.
I like when SMIP covers MODO, they usually do summarily, and I'm fine with that.

Dismember costs exactly the same to cast, and can cost less, hits the majority of the format. I would compare this more to Dismember than what is listed here.

@moorebrother1
What does this kill that dismember doesn't?

@protoaddict I won't argue against that. I think turn out would be higher if there was a viable budget deck or proxies though.

Yeah, I think big events are the only way forward. How that looks is really going to be interesting. If a good budget deck (like eldrazi) comes along, that could help things. Or an event like N.Y.S.E. that allows proxies would be good too.