You also play it for 0 to kill Bridges, so that's cool too.

I've had mixed success maindecking Sol Ring and Mana Crypt. Sometimes you get a hand with a Crypt and a Null Rod, and feel like a silly goose. But sometimes you need a t1 Thought-Knot Seer and the mana rocks do the heavy lifting there.

I've also toyed around with Mockery of Nature in place of the World Breaker, works ok if you're saccing a Matter Reshaper for the Emerge cost, and still KOs Moat on cast. Other times, it can sit in your hand (but that happens plenty with World Break anyway, it seems for me). I also run ESGs, and desperately want the modo promos in paper foil haha

Just to add to the "black layer last" point, legit magic cards appear to go through a 2-pass process (at least), where the four CMYK printing plates come down first, including black (K) to make a process 4-color black, and then rules text comes down on the black plate by itself during a second pass.

The counterfeits run everything at once, including the text, which is why when viewed through a loop, you can often see the dot pattern on the rules text: it's a 4-color process black. It's probably also why the text appear thicker. There's also a dot pattern on the black border, which is a dead dead giveaway.

This latter point makes me think wotc (or I guess Cartemundi) has a 3-pass process, where somewhere along the line they print the border as a spot color.

@Aaron-Patten said:

I like the idea of running Mishra's Workshops, 9 spheres plus chalice, and more Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.

Remember Thiim's mono-B Shops Depths deck? Could that be adapted to a Lands build? I like the idea of running resistors, but no clue what one would cut from his list.

For reference: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/342206#online

@Islandswamp said in April 24th, 2017 Banned and Restricted update: GUSH AND PROBE/TOP in Legacy:

Finally I can take that gush oath deck apart...

It's funny, I have a small proxied-up "vintage gauntlet" I keep around for fun/testing, and I'm realizing virtually every single deck runs bunches of Probes and Gushes. Should have been a sign hahah

It hits cage, Pithing needle, relic, the new alpine moon as others have said. Hmmm... I mean, you blue mages can't ALWAYS have MM up, can you? haha

I guess I'd still want something like Nature's Claim in my dredge sb rather than this. Doesn't hurt to test it though!

I've had mixed success maindecking Sol Ring and Mana Crypt. Sometimes you get a hand with a Crypt and a Null Rod, and feel like a silly goose. But sometimes you need a t1 Thought-Knot Seer and the mana rocks do the heavy lifting there.

I've also toyed around with Mockery of Nature in place of the World Breaker, works ok if you're saccing a Matter Reshaper for the Emerge cost, and still KOs Moat on cast. Other times, it can sit in your hand (but that happens plenty with World Break anyway, it seems for me). I also run ESGs, and desperately want the modo promos in paper foil haha

I'm gonna leave extra early to try and make this one, Water Gap vacation travelers be damned!!!

(If I get there too early, I'm gonna just chill at the Totally Twisted Pretzel. Get my lemonade on.)

Will be attending, and I'll have my binder of many (homemade) playtest foils.

I think they're pretty neat-o, and everyone I play will get one! (also people who smile at me, or compliment my eyes)

New additions include Moat, Time Vault, Lion's Eye Diamond, probably something else I can't remember... haha

And I recently finished my painting of City of Traitors, so I put that on a card too. Hope to see folks there and throw down!

What would be the worst-case scenario for unrestricting Fastbond? My imagination tells me that at the very least we'd get a playable Vintage Lands deck, but I'm also not much of a Vintage brewer so there may be consequences I'm not seeing. Does an unrestricted Fastbond fall into that sweet spot Steve is talking about with regards to a deck that speeds up the format, but doesn't lead to a deck that can consistently win on Turn 1?

@kameli0n Had to abort, traffic snafu at the water gap put my eta out of reach, basically a parking lot. Already turned around. I'll leave early for the next event haha

Hey Shawn, I'm gonna try to make this event on time but eta is probably gonna be after 12:30. Just a heads up, and thanks

@Brass-Man said in [HOU] Tragic Lesson:

That means that IF this card is playable, it HAS to be in a deck that uses "bounce a land" as upside, rather than a drawback. I wouldn't look at this card with anything that didn't have an explicit plan around that.

Vintage... Lands? (I'm... Ron Burgundy?)

I know there's a thread somewhere on tmd for a Lands deck, so maybe this spell fits there. Probably still needs a Fastbond unrestriction, but hey it's something!

@Islandswamp said in April 24th, 2017 Banned and Restricted update: GUSH AND PROBE/TOP in Legacy:

Finally I can take that gush oath deck apart...

It's funny, I have a small proxied-up "vintage gauntlet" I keep around for fun/testing, and I'm realizing virtually every single deck runs bunches of Probes and Gushes. Should have been a sign hahah

@ravager101 I've seen a few lists from lllllll, was it the 1 Trap/4 Probe version or the more usual 4 Trap version?