@swiftwarkite2 They don't, but yeah, when you don't side in containment priest savannah can't be better than forest.

@swiftwarkite2 Lately I'm trying not to overboard. I've tried the energy flux, but it's mostly a pitch to FoW, as 3 mana is a lot, mainly if we're bazaaring. I bring in 3 rods, 1 mindbreak and sometimes 1 assassin's trophy (never the 2 of them). I use to take out 1 DRS, 1 survival, 1 forest and 1 vengevine and/or 1 rootwalla

PS.: Right now it's a little bit different from the list I passed before:

Just an update on the BUG version. I totally forgot assassin's trophy (which I ran in the dark version). It can hit planeswalkers (lost before to a Ral - which could be jace for those who would point out how good it is), opposing bazaars, leylines and everything else that abrupt and nature's claim could. I'm replacing abrupt and trygon (which I was going to change for nature's claim) for 2 assassin's trophy.

@maurobad Nice, thanks When I get back home next week I think I'll stream again, probably at night and with a better internet connection ^^

@swiftwarkite2 It's still the one I got 6-0 in the challenge, I was trying the dark survival and got back to it on tuesday. Maybe I'll make some little changes soon, but so far it's IMO the best we got.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1460313#online

@ChubbyRain That's right, thx!

I will start streaming today with Survival BUG at 9a.m. pacific (3p.m. here in Brazil). My nickname in MTGO is GutoCmtt and I'm currently the leader in the trophy 'race' always running survival (different versions sometimes, but so far BUG has been the best one). My twitch account is also https://www.twitch.tv/gutocmtt

One little note: I have very flexible schedule, but for my first day I will be able only to stream at this time (which I know is kinda bad for most people), but the next times I think I will stream at night here in Brazil (probably around 1p.m. and 3p.m. pacific time).

Hey @ChubbyRain thanks a lot for the entusiasm

Yeah, that's me ^^

It was kind of a last minute decision, but I've been postponing this decision for a while and I don't have all set up, but I'll just do it. I mean, if we wait for everything to be perfect, we never do it. I'll set things up along the way, and I'd love to have some help seting things up ^^

The only issue is I think most people will not like the time of the stream, as I live in Brazil and the best option for me in terms of personal organization is 3P.M. (which is 9a.m. pacific time, which I think is what people are used to use). If I continue streaming (which I intend to), it would probably be closer to 8pm here (2pm pacific).

@swiftwarkite2 To be honest I really don't feel comfortable. I've been getting good results, but I still think I probably make some suboptimal sideboarding decisions, even more as I change the version I'm playing all the time. I kinda just go with my gut, see what cards are good against certain matchups, if they are fast enough and how far I can go on cutting my combo cards to avoid losing to myself.

I'm thinking about give a shot at streaming this deck though, and then I'd walk through my thinking process of it. I'll probably start tomorrow or friday, but I'll give a heads up here before.

I'm feeling that there are too many combos lately. I've managed to get a 4th place in the last challenge without facing too many combos with the dark survival list. I liked a lot the dark survival list (wfain's with some little changes), but it's got very different outcomes compared to the BUG one.

Dark survival is better against xerox and shops (here it's WAY better, very favorable again), but worse against PO and combo decks in general (storm, those with the artifact that reduces in 1 the cost, oath, etc).

That being said, I'm pretty sure those are the 2 best lists we have right now. Here is the last dark survival I've played:

I've made some changes to be better suited to face combo, like:

-1rav +1containment priest => still sides the same against dredge and survival, but got 1 more priest for oath

-1assassin's trophy +1 chalice => I didn't bring the second trophy against many decks, and chalice is great for fighting combo decks in general (chalice@0)

-1cratermaker +1ingot chewer => I liked cratermaker, but pay 2 more mana for it's flexibility was usually bad. Most hates that I thought were worth fighting were artifact hate, and with chewer I can acess more disruption against fast decks. It's effect against dredge and shops was the same, and as the latest builds are better suited to win games with hate in play, I didn't think the extra possibility of killing priest/jailer/mentor(luckily)/pyro was too relevant.

Well, this post was mostly to say that given the current meta, I'll go back to the BUG version, but that this one is awesome for the right meta. I think those are the best 2 versions of the deck, and that what defines which one will be used is the meta.

PS.: The only thing that really hurted the deck was the manabase constraints. Playing leovold and pyroblast was really hard most of the times without active shaman in play. But still, leovold is just that good to be left aside.

@yayjinaz Aaactually it's pretty good. You should use always when the VV is triggered, because it won't be able to be triggered in response (others also won't). And Spell Queller, even if it was run in most lists (which it's not, only in the old bant list), won't be able to be cast if you play it in response to the VV trigger. You'd have to have tons of mana and it already in hand or even other creature to pitch it to fetch queller.

BTW: the newer lists are running 3-4 mental missteps. If you run surgical, that's what you should have in mind. I've had several VV extracted, even running misstep, it's just rare to have missteps when you start triggering them all. You usually use them before.

But still, I'm not sure if that's the best card to play as graveyard hate. You get VV from survival, but I don't think it's really good to play against snapcaster decks, as that's probably the only relevant think you'll do (delve cards delve as cost, so you can't respond, actually they can even remove the surgical target - not that it matters, since what you really want is just to remove it)