@kaluma, this is an extremely greedy list (and I absolutely mean that as a compliment):

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1397694#paper

Did you find the one null rod sufficient?

Thanks for the answers, @kaluma and @wfain. I think I mostly need to improve my play with the deck. Fine-tuning the list is fine but I think for me at the moment, it may be beside the point.

@wfain said in Survival Salad:

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I find when I keep a hand with Survival and mana I tend to do pretty well and when I keep a Bazaar hand I don't. I may get a few creatures in play but if they are handled I end up with card disadvantage and pitching cards that I want to keep. Maybe I just need to add a second or third Squee to fight this.

Some questions for the thread:

1. Do any of you cut some number of Bazaars post board ever?
2. Those of you who have cut Time Walk, do you miss it?
3. Does anyone have opinions on Leyline of the Void vs. Ravenous Trap?
4. Is Anger necessary?
5. Has anyone tried out Balance?

Thanks.

@wfain this list seems really solid. I played something similar in a league and went 2-3 but played the mirror three times and went 1-2 vs it. The biggest differences are I had three Birds vs the Hierarchy/Deathrite split and I had two Ancient Grudge main.

• Is Hierarch better than two Birds here? Feels like you want both red and black occasionally.

• I cut Mandrils and don’t know how I feel about it. How do you like that card?

I’m trying to figure out if I want to play Survival at champs and I really don’t know so far. One of the issues I’m having is that I haven’t gotten the chance to test the shops matchup and my guess is that Survival is not favored. At least in game 1.

Wait, how did Transmute Artifact change? Does it not work with Su-Chi anymore? I ask because I've been doing this in Old School...

@sovarius leovold makes a lot of sense. That’s one greedy deck right there.

@sovarius I hadn’t seen it before but it seemed like Grixis Thieves plus Mentor. He had Key/Vault and Tinker/Blightsteel and, at least after board, Balance. I don’t know what the green was for but at one point he had one of each blue dual plus Academy out.

@grr Thanks for the reply!

My mulligan strategy for this deck is that any hand without a white source has to be otherwise very strong in order to keep it. I've tried Lotus Petal before and it was ok but if I remember correctly I was less dependent on Null Rod/Stony Silence before Thorn was restricted. What I really want is exactly 1 (or occasionally 2) basic Plains in a game and that's it. But I really do want that one. I had experimented with Smuggler's Copter before for flying over board stalls as well as filtering but this version feels so reliant on Stony Silence that I don't think that's the right direction anymore.

I managed to play six matches with this list (with Swords subbed in for Holy Light) online last night. They were just Tournament Practice Room matches and there were some rogue-ish matchups but I did win all of them, so that's good. In a nutshell I beat:

• Oops All Spells
• Traxos Shops (with Tangle Wire and, I suspect Null Rod although I didn't see that)
• Jeskai Control
• a strange blue deck with Ancient Tomb, Mox Opal and Tinker
• 5-color Thieves
• Esper Outcome

Every match went to three games except vs. Shops. When this deck works and you resolve two or three disruptive permanents it's amazing and when they manage to deal with those and you draw all lands it just feels so bad and they vintage you.

Anyway, I really liked the Spheres, Stony Silence over Null Rod and cutting the maindeck Priests. I want to test more aginst Ravager Shops, especially.

@grr Congrats on the win. I really liked playing White Eldrazi before the Thorn restriction. I'm looking forward to trying out your list.

Seems like you have a lot of tools against PO and blue decks in general. I'm wondering:

• If you've played against Ravager Shops and what you think of that matchup.
• Did you miss the maindeck Containment Priests? The last list I played had trimmed those to two and my feeling has been that we either want to stay at 3-4 (both for dredge/oath and to maximize the combo with Displacer) or cut them completely as without Displacer it just doesn't pull its weight vs. normal matchups.
• Did you have any problems with the white source count, especially for the Stony Silences? I've played Null Rods in the past but maybe that's wrong now with more Hurkyl's in the format.
• Did big Thalia pull its weight?
• I count 31 mana sources, which is 1-2 more than I'd expect. Do you think this is the right number? How do you feel about 2 Horizon Canopies?

Thanks.

I played two (count them!) matches with a similar list to @wfain RUGb from a few posts up and it felt pretty good. I happened to play back to back against the same Lands player, first with a Bant list and then this one and the Deathrites really helped. My second match was vs. Esper Outcome and he stumbled a bit, Null Rod did some work and I got there.

So apparently Spellseeker will be online a week from today: https://twitter.com/DrStreetmention/status/1042684448179773440

I was thinking of a straight BUG version to maximize Deathrite and Leovold as a plan C. Null Rod is an acceptable substitute for Stony Silence but losing out on Thalia along with Ancient Grudge, Chewer and Pyroblast from other versions feels like it might be bad but I'm looking forward to trying it out. Maybe with a few Missteps or something as additional maindeck disruption.