@smmenen said in Weissman cheating at GP Vegas Old School event:
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People play old school for many reasons. Some play because they like the art and aesthetic. Some play for nostaligia. Some play because they like the mechanics and strategies. And there are other reasons besides.
I play because I used to play Type 1 back in 1994-1996, and I enjoy the specific cards, decks and strategies - so it's a mixture of enjoying the metagame and nostalgia. But the main reason I play is because I like playing my favorite cards and old school formats. Specifically, I enjoy using my experience and skills to try to design and tune decks for metagames I played in (competitively) when I was a teenager.
And for players who didn't play back in the day, either because they were too young or didn't know about Magic, "Old School Magic is an opportunity not only to learn about Magic’s past, but to experience it," as I wrote elsewhere.
But the idea that an Old School tournament must exclusively cater to causal players, and that players playing to win are "sociopaths" is as narrow minded as the reverse: that Old School is no place for casual players. It's got plenty of room for both. So maybe stop being so judgmental and just enjoy the full diversity of players in the room?
You made a leap there. You connected my 20% statement, which was referencing Dan's comment about OS at EC:
Not sure why so many Old Schoolers are in denial of that but a lot of that initial messaging was "how could he cheat at something that didn't matter". It definitely matters to at least 20% of the players...
I was unclear in putting those two statements next to each other, how I structured my post and because I didn't address all of the content of Dan's post.
I definitely enjoy the full diversity of players in the room. I stated "Four straight rounds of UR or WRU dibs and bolts with Spikes I don't know is not a generally a good time." That doesn't mean it is not OK for someone to play that deck or them playing to win!
But I can also opine that I am much MORE ok when you come to win (or someone scoops you into Top Eight) because you are of the community and contribute. The specific 20% I was referring to was about EC OS EW Old School "tourists". I accept and celebrate all the reasons for playing that you have outlined. And for those who want to "experience it" netdecking UR burn, cool. I can also state that that is not a good time for me.
I placed that 20% statement next to one about other aspects of Old School I find unappealing, but those two things (counterfeits, sociopaths) are not related to my 20% comment, except they are all unappealing.
Hope that clarifies what I meant a bit.
@danl15243 Hey Dan, yeah, I have considered skipping EW OS because of the high population of Old School "tourists", spikes from other formats. Four straight rounds of UR or WRU dibs and bolts with Spikes I don't know is not a generally a good time.
I think we deny it bc we wouldn't play with those people regularly or have them around regularly. They only come to EW bc it is an open tourney; some events that were open in 2018 were closed events in 2019, for this reason.
I don't deny it but I'm not gonna waste my time focusing on the sucky aspects (counterfeits, sociopaths) when talking about the format. Those 20% aren't really a part of the OS community even if they are playing the same format.
Trials are Vancouver Mulligan, with MH1 legal in all formats on 6/14.
*** Update: A generous community member has donated prize support for the Trials. An additional $50 will be added to the prize pool, PER EVENT!! ***
Sharing this! Vintage in NE Ohio. Updated 5/22 with more information below.
Just added to the EW 2019 calendar, 2 Vintage Trials at Bottom Dollar Trading Cards!
https://www.cardtitan.com/trials
Hi folks. There is a shop here in Champion, OH called Bottom Dollar Trading Cards.
They are holding Vintage EW trials on 6/14, starting at 6PM and 6/16, starting at Noon. EW Trials are open to all players. This event will be run with Competitive REL and decklists are required. Rounds will be commensurate with the number of players, with a cut to T8 if 9 or more players. We need to get 8 people per event to fire.
I am not an employee nor do I have any interest in the shop, I'm simply working with the shop to put this on. The primary thing is to get some byes for locals, since most of all the trials are on the East Coast.
With that in mind, the tentative plan is $10 entry w/ no prize payout. With the minimum 8, it basically just covers the cost the shop has to pay to Card Titan, so you are just paying for the chance at a bye. If there is an unexpectedly high turn out, there may be additional payout.
*** Update: A generous community member has donated prize support for the Trials. An additional $50 will be added to the prize pool, PER EVENT!! ***
Let me know if you have questions or need any other info, will do my best to help.
www.bdtcevents.com
5199 Mahoning Ave
Building A
Warren, OH 44483
Post here if you are coming or interested, for possible car pool action.
Bumps! Right now I'm good to go but I'm still tentative. Anyone else making it out?
@moorebrother1 New Shaman Ben Event at RIW is posted for the 13th. Same day as TSO in Sandusky, but good news for the RIW crew! Not sure there is a TMD thread, but this is the FB event: https://www.facebook.com/events/505086766646714/ @Shaman-Ben