@griselbrother said in How do you beat W&6 with fair hatebears?:
I remember you played that green enchantment that gives your creatures shroud at some point (I forgot its name) - perhaps that's something to look into again?
Dense Foliage?
A fun fact, with Painter's Servant on Green, all your spells are uncounterable.
@brass-man said in HollowVine / Survivalless Survival:
I agree with @Rat3dE . I can't speak for everyone who runs The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, but it's a reasonable choice in specific matchups. Like you said, the HollowVine decks don't run a ton of mana to support a Tabernacle, but you'd bring it in only against decks that are even less equipped to handle it.
It looks like partially The Tabernacle is a response to a specific metagame. Is this still the case now?
I don't play online and very irregularly play in paper so my knowledge of the metagame is quite outdated. Nevertheless, I was under impression that Dredge is getting leaner and meaner as a response to fast combos and mid-range controls, not to mentions thanks to new forces (let the force be with us).
I noticed that in the Vintage Challenge #12130342 Dredge and HollowVine 6-1'ed. It would be interesting to hear from the players, but I have no idea if PTarts2win or WingedHussar has a TMD account.
@rat3de said in HollowVine / Survivalless Survival:
@Chronatog It is because the deck has such a terrible Dredge matchup that you need Tabernacle to try to even come close to winning from my understanding.
I see your point. It makes sense to have The Tabernacle instead of Leyline of the Void as Dredge was blessed with Force of Vigor. And Tormod's Crypt and Ravenous Trap are not good enough as Dredge now has more blue Forces.
However, Ichorid doesn't need Dredge to cast anything and Vengevine needs two creature spells. So while HolowVine is putting its act together under the Tabernacle, Dredge just punches into the face with those hasty Ichorids and episodically summons Ashen Rider to take care of the holy ground's protection or Flame-Kin Zealot to accelerate the assault.
From this perspective would it be more efficient to use Leyline of the Void as a more proactive/preemptive defense rather than Tabernacle that may quite passive and a little bit too late?
HollowVine also has blue Forces so while Dredge is looking for Force of Vigor plus a green card, the time HolowVine buys is critical in gaining a slight advantage over Dredge.
I can be completely wrong as I don't play much these days, but I am still unconvinced.
Some variations of HollowVine play The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale. Since the deck plays only a few mana sources, the inclusion of the Tabernacle is counterintuitive. Other than supporting a strategy using Vengevines for an alpha strike, what are other reasons for including the Tabernacle?
@wagner said in Thought Scour/Dredge reveal question:
I'd like to know if you have to reveal the order those cards were on top of your library before putting them in your graveyard in the order of your choice.
In accordance with the rule you mention, you don't need to reveal the order of the cards on the top of your library when you mill yourself or dredge.
I notice that some opponents get annoyed when I dredge X by drawing X cards and rearranging them before putting them onto the graveyard, but these are the rules. Dura lex, sed lex 
Comboes well with Plague Engineer. Assuming no blockers, this is a three-turn clock.
@rat3de said in Dredge, The London Mulligan, and the continued use of Serum Powder:
Interestingly/strangely I have lost quite a few post board games to decking and I think adding an anti-decking card like Progenitus or Emrakul could really help combat GY wipes and help you prevent from decking, allowing you to not only reuse certain cards but also give you enough cards to continue the hardcast beatdown plan.
Perhaps Gaea's Blessing is a better option since you can cast it if you need; e.g. when it got stuck in your hand and you don't mind shuffling Narcomoeba's back into the library.
@evouga said in [MH1] Mox Tantalite:
Yikes the “Mox” brand sure isn’t what it used to be. This card takes the worst part of the original moxen (being a useless topdeck in the late game) and applies it to the early game too.
When Lion's Eye Diamond was printed, it was labeled as the worst rare. And now it is on the restricted list ;). I'm not arguing. Just saying that things look differently in isolation than in combination with other things.