I really haven't had a chance to test that rough draft just yet.
I do have a few more thoughts on the use of channel though.
One idea would be to utilize oath of nissa and channel to cast any/all planeswalkers. I also think a list like this could also use interplanar beacon from war.
I did a brew of a r/g eldrazi list a couple months back.
That said, I started rebrewing the list, depowered it, and updated with WAR, MH1 and M20 in mind.
Here's my rough draft.
1 Domri, Anarch of Bolas
1 Chalice of the Void
3 Lightning Bolt
1 Kaervek's Torch
3 Collector Ouphe
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Force of Vigor
1 Channel
2 Sylvan Library
3 Boreal Druid
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
1 Wrenn and Six
2 Karn, the Great Creator
2 Taiga
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Forest
1 Mountain
<Sideboard>
3 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Blood Moon
1 Trinisphere
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Mycosynth Lattice
2 Pyroblast
2 Nature's Claim
2 Goblin Cratermaker
A few cards that I have been testing recently has been Unsettled Mariner (if you plan to stay Bant (UGW) or 4 color (not red).
With all the force of vigor going around, it sounds like a nice way to protect your stuff.
I'll have to try out scavenging ooze. That completely missed my radar.
So much hustle and bustle has been happening over the summer to the vintage format, but what will happen once the dust settles?
Alternate Worlds in Hunt Valley, MD will be holding two Sanctioned Vintage Trials on August 24th and 25th.
Come out and earn some byes for the 2019 North American Vintage Championship!
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@thewhitedragon69 said in How do I beat Karn, the Great Creator:
@desolutionist I tend to build my decks to fight/go under strategies. Shops fighting hurkylls is a great example of fighting on the wrong axis. Karn tends to be in mana-ramp decks. Hitting the mana ramp helps. Narset tends to be in blue decks fighting blue decks, where "draw" is their axis. Hit the draw mechanic/dodge using so much draw.
Could a blood moon deck with SSG, tombs, ESG, stop the karn/shop ramp? Maybe. Would be decent vs bazaar as well if you could consistently drop a turn 1 moon effect. Could that same deck run grudges, rebs, rods, and other things? Sure. Can it run quick, sizable creatures to be a decent clock as well? Sure. Would this type of deck work overall? I dunno, maybe. Maybe not. Worth a try.
Regarding blood moon style lists, Troy Sands took down an NYSE Qualifier with a r/w list, but also implemented Karn of its own as additional null rods and access to an artifact toolbox.
Not sure if that's what you are aiming at there, @Thewhitedragon69.
For quick reference, his list is reposted below:
Troy Sands
Deck Name: Crazy 8s
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
2 Arid Mesa
2 Plateau
5 Mountain
1 Plains
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Ruby
1 Lotus petal
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Legion Warboss
2 Hazoret the Fervent
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Blood Moon
4 Stony Silence
4 Null Rod
4 Karn, the Great Creator
2 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Fiery Confluence
<Sideboard>
1 Trinisphere
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Vise
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
4 Containment Priest
4 Rest in Peace
I played against this deck in the swiss rounds. I was on Stax and got locked out.
I also saw this deck win off of a mycosynth lattice lockout via black vise.
Regarding beating Karn specifically, I am starting to see a number of players in my local area starting to swap out a number of mental missteps for either spell pierce or ceremonious rejection.
This might be the card that will make r/g eldrazi a thing.
Time to start brewing!
This event was cancelled for May 24th.
Several of the players that normally come ended up staying in and waiting for the tournament the next day (the NYSE Qualifier).
That said, Alternate Worlds will be taking a break from Vintage events for June and July but will resume again in August.
Until then!
Thank you everyone that came out today.
Without your support and the support of the vintage community, this event would not have been possible.
10 players came out for the event to battle for the NYSE Qualifier Invite.
The tournament went 5 rounds of swiss with a cut to Top 4.
Without further ado, here are the top 4 decklists:
1st - Troy Sands
Deck Name: Crazy 8s
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
2 Arid Mesa
2 Plateau
5 Mountain
1 Plains
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Ruby
1 Lotus petal
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Legion Warboss
2 Hazoret the Fervent
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Blood Moon
4 Stony Silence
4 Null Rod
4 Karn, the Great Creator
2 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Fiery Confluence
<Sideboard>
1 Trinisphere
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Vise
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
4 Containment Priest
4 Rest in Peace
2nd - Marc Frias
Deck Name: Stax
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Mishra's Factory
2 City of Traitors
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Crystal Vein
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Inventors' Fair
2 Grim Monolith
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
4 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Lodestone Golem
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Sphere of Resistance
1 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Trinisphere
4 Tangle Wire
3 Smokestack
1 Chalice of the Void
1 God-Pharaoh's Statue
3 Karn, the Great Creator
1 Karn, Scion of Urza
1 Ugin, the Ineffable
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Voltaic Key
<Sideboard>
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Skysovereign, Consul Flagship
1 Razormane Masticore
1 Witchbane Orb
1 Time Vault
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Sorcerous Spyglass
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Dismember
3rd - William Dayton
Deck Name: Academic Eldrazi
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Mutavault
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Wasteland
2 Endless One
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thought-Knot Seer
3 Walking Ballista
1 Black Lotus
1 Chalice of the Void
4 Karn, the Great Creator
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
4 Sphere of Resistance
1 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Trinisphere
<Sideboard>
1 Contagion Engine
1 Crucible of Worlds
3 Dismember
4 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Walking Ballista
4th - Joel Lim
Deck Name: Ravager Shops
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Ancient Tomb
1 Lodestone Golem
4 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Arcbound Ravager
4 Foundry Inspector
4 Walking Ballista
4 Steel Overseer
2 Chief of the Foundry
4 Precursor Golem
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Thorn of Amethyst
4 Sphere of Resistance
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Trinisphere
<Sideboard>
2 Powder Keg
2 Dismember
4 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Sorcerous Spyglass
1 Chief of the Foundry
2 Phyrexian Metamorph