@joshuabrooks I agree with you that people have to learn lessons. Maybe learning a lesson by losing $100,000 is a bit much? What bothers me most though is that the scammer would win with $100,000 in their pocket. What kind of lesson does the scammer learn? They would learn that they can get rich easily by taking advantage of people. Then other bad people will see what the scammer has done and then you have more people doing scams. And then it cascades from there, repeating this same process over and over, creating thousands of scams. Lets stop it now while we still can.

This is the argument I find most compelling.

Thanks wizards I hate it.

@moorebrother1

There is a 4-C lutri omnath deck that works surprisingly well it has a pretty modern rampy feel.

It was a main deck null rod build that tried to fix some of the issues that the deck had with top decking dead by removing the mana artifacts. The meta at the time was generally quite soft to the rod so having 4 main deck you could play without worry or hesitation was very strong.

I didn't screen shot it but I had a game in eternal weekend where
Op) Ancestral
Me) Ancestral
OP) FOW
Me) Brainstorm
OP) Dig Through Time
Me) Flusterstorm

I thought that was pretty cool.

I was very excited till I read your edit.

@aelien

You don't necessarily need a reason to dislike something, it makes me unhappy is a perfectly valid response.

@lienielsen

This is a bit extreme but I agree with the spirit of the argument.

I see this as more of an option than a staple and as a new option I think it should be welcomed and kept track of even though it currently does not look too good.

@throwaway
That's a little harsh they produce content they and others enjoy get off their back.

@cattleprod
The back side is clearly vastly better than the front.

@stormanimagus
I have been proxying this in breach its real good.

Very good, the anti oko work may even mean you play one or two in jeskai if you expect a large amount of BUG.

I think we have a potential side board card here, for blue mirror and the such, if we see a return of the older delver pyromancer style blue control it could compete with pyro for board spots. As is another one for the save for some future metagame pile.

The reason I have rather little hope for this card in vintage is the decks that can use that body effectively, get creatures in the yard fast enough to activate it, and make black mana to cast it, would much rather have cards in the yard for things like the gak then cast a 2 mana 4/4. This is a bad sign but the ability is interesting and maybe saves it? Unfortunately, no delver would really like its spells back in it's hand but hogaak wants them in the yard to take advantage of. Keep in mind I am not a zombie lord my skill lies far more with the doomsday decks so I may just be wrong but this one looks like a miss to me.

@magicmike

I really don't want to run it, you know how tight the list is these days, more likely we would see a return of the maindeck chain.

This would be quite scary for a doomsday deck to have to fight through especially out of a jeskai style deck with counter magic.

@stormanimagus

They are red spells that hate the blue spells. They shine vs combo and cantrip decks and wane everywhere else. If I were looking to swap something with this the first place I would look is a pyro. This is a bit evocative rather than explanatory for which I apologize but it's more of a feeling than a thought so this seems the best way to try and get it across.

Is this good enough to resurrect storm? I think no but it will be fun to try.

@ian-mars

Mabye most of my opponents are clowns but as a doomsday player the matchup seems extremely good for me. Jund neither has the force of will or the spheres + aggressive pressure plan that are the two biggest stumbling points for the doomsday deck in my experience. They will often pack vigors but a double oracle pile and some planning is, at least in my experience, usually good enough to get there anyway especially since they can't protect the vigor with forces. Then again I haven't faced an exceptionally large amount of the deck and my opponents may have simply played or drawn badly, but it has been a very bad for the jund guys in my experience.