Narset and Karn are incredibly unsafe unrestricts miserable play patterns and extremely forcing, I honestly think unrestricting mox emerald would be better, gush being unrestricted would instantly break doomsday. Chalice may be balanced but also creates miserable play patterns and makes the format worse, 8 spheres is probably too many but unrestricting thorn is probably doable as long as you restrict sphere. Git probe is another doomsday card which also has a habit of greatly decreasing the impact of skill on the game.

@marland_moore
Hullbreacher doesn't cast impulse twice and dodge swords narset does the difference between the two in power level is colossal. Once again chalice is in theory unrestrictable but it makes a worse format so I would vote against. Gush is MASSIVELY better than ragavan in blue decks in general and when doomsday enters the picture comparing the two becomes laughable.

@jackpuddy

There is a menendian decklist from the VSL that uses the other rector that I have messed areound with for a bit. Not the same deck and a bit out of date but might be worth a look at.

1 [ROE:4] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 [A25:62] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 [UDS:1] Academy Rector
1 [FRF:20] Monastery Mentor
3 [EMA:83] Cabal Therapy
1 [VMA:116] Demonic Tutor
1 [NPH:35] Gitaxian Probe
1 [HML:33] Merchant Scroll
1 [M10:68] Ponder
1 [M11:70] Preordain
3 [CN2:121] Show and Tell
1 [VMA:2] Time Walk
1 [VMA:1] Ancestral Recall
1 [CNS:91] Brainstorm
1 [KTK:36] Dig Through Time
1 [VMA:68] Flusterstorm
1 [10E:88] Hurkyl's Recall
1 [NPH:38] Mental Misstep
1 [MIR:80] Mystical Tutor
1 [VMA:145] Vampiric Tutor
4 [VMA:69] Force of Will
1 [VMA:4] Black Lotus
1 [VMA:5] Mox Emerald
1 [VMA:6] Mox Jet
1 [VMA:7] Mox Pearl
1 [VMA:8] Mox Ruby
1 [VMA:9] Mox Sapphire
1 [VMA:283] Sol Ring
1 [VMA:272] Mana Crypt
1 [V09:10] Sensei's Divining Top
1 [M13:63] Omniscience
1 [VMA:147] Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 [A25:57] Flash
1 [BFZ:255] Island
1 [VMA:289] Ancient Tomb
2 [KTK:233] Flooded Strand
1 [VMA:303] Library of Alexandria
2 [MM3:240] Misty Rainforest
2 [MM3:244] Scalding Tarn
2 [VMA:322] Tundra
3 [VMA:323] Underground Sea
1 [KTK:239] Polluted Delta
1 [WAR:61] Narset, Parter of Veils
1 [MM3:72] Griselbrand
1 [KTK:59] Treasure Cruise
SB: 2 [10E:88] Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 1 [VMA:14] Balance
SB: 1 [EMA:240] Karakas
SB: 4 [M11:101] Leyline of the Void
SB: 1 [V09:14] Tinker
SB: 1 [CHK:273] Boseiju, Who Shelters All
SB: 1 [MBS:99] Blightsteel Colossus
SB: 1 [ISD:36] Stony Silence
SB: 1 [WAR:221] Teferi, Time Raveler
SB: 1 [7ED:60] Arcane Laboratory
SB: 1 [SCG:93] Form of the Dragon

@revengeanceful
Well I missed that because I am a clown.

Thanks wizards I hate it.

It was a main deck null rod build that tried to fix some of the issues that the deck had with top decking dead by removing the mana artifacts. The meta at the time was generally quite soft to the rod so having 4 main deck you could play without worry or hesitation was very strong.

@schmakt

Necro is a very fun card and if the aim is to get new players into the format DPS/TPS decks seem like a good start both offering a peak into the broken fun possible in vintage and a natural progression to playing the more viable blue tinker decks as the players attempt to tune out the inconsistency and fragility issues.

@joshuabrooks I agree with you that people have to learn lessons. Maybe learning a lesson by losing $100,000 is a bit much? What bothers me most though is that the scammer would win with $100,000 in their pocket. What kind of lesson does the scammer learn? They would learn that they can get rich easily by taking advantage of people. Then other bad people will see what the scammer has done and then you have more people doing scams. And then it cascades from there, repeating this same process over and over, creating thousands of scams. Lets stop it now while we still can.

This is the argument I find most compelling.

I didn't screen shot it but I had a game in eternal weekend where
Op) Ancestral
Me) Ancestral
OP) FOW
Me) Brainstorm
OP) Dig Through Time
Me) Flusterstorm

I thought that was pretty cool.

@covetousrat
I believe the goldfish website itself has the continuations of this series.

@john-cox

Actually 7 as it is type and subtype so artifact and creature count as well.

@protoaddict

What deck is going wide like this? If pyromancer were to return its an anti shops card with pyro utility but unless lost of x/1s are being made in some deck I cant think of right now this is bad abrade.

Dont know if this has a home today but its deffinently going on the list of cards to thnk about for future metagames.

It's a reasonable sideboard card vs PO and doomsday but has trouble there as it competes with crop rotation/ouphe in BUG, pyroblast in any deck that can play red and more flusters in PO/Doomsday itself. If there were a landstill type controing blue deck with no red and a problem in those matchups it would probably be quite strong. However the meta being what it is this card has a hard time finding a deck to run it. Thats just my analysis of why the card is not played much and I havent had a chance to play a lot recently so mabye I am missing something important.

This card seems very strong.

DPS seems the maost natural place to go with a mono/heavily black vintage deck in general and is more beginner friendly then the control/combo hybrids like doomsday or tinker.

@jackpuddy

There is a menendian decklist from the VSL that uses the other rector that I have messed areound with for a bit. Not the same deck and a bit out of date but might be worth a look at.

1 [ROE:4] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 [A25:62] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 [UDS:1] Academy Rector
1 [FRF:20] Monastery Mentor
3 [EMA:83] Cabal Therapy
1 [VMA:116] Demonic Tutor
1 [NPH:35] Gitaxian Probe
1 [HML:33] Merchant Scroll
1 [M10:68] Ponder
1 [M11:70] Preordain
3 [CN2:121] Show and Tell
1 [VMA:2] Time Walk
1 [VMA:1] Ancestral Recall
1 [CNS:91] Brainstorm
1 [KTK:36] Dig Through Time
1 [VMA:68] Flusterstorm
1 [10E:88] Hurkyl's Recall
1 [NPH:38] Mental Misstep
1 [MIR:80] Mystical Tutor
1 [VMA:145] Vampiric Tutor
4 [VMA:69] Force of Will
1 [VMA:4] Black Lotus
1 [VMA:5] Mox Emerald
1 [VMA:6] Mox Jet
1 [VMA:7] Mox Pearl
1 [VMA:8] Mox Ruby
1 [VMA:9] Mox Sapphire
1 [VMA:283] Sol Ring
1 [VMA:272] Mana Crypt
1 [V09:10] Sensei's Divining Top
1 [M13:63] Omniscience
1 [VMA:147] Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 [A25:57] Flash
1 [BFZ:255] Island
1 [VMA:289] Ancient Tomb
2 [KTK:233] Flooded Strand
1 [VMA:303] Library of Alexandria
2 [MM3:240] Misty Rainforest
2 [MM3:244] Scalding Tarn
2 [VMA:322] Tundra
3 [VMA:323] Underground Sea
1 [KTK:239] Polluted Delta
1 [WAR:61] Narset, Parter of Veils
1 [MM3:72] Griselbrand
1 [KTK:59] Treasure Cruise
SB: 2 [10E:88] Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 1 [VMA:14] Balance
SB: 1 [EMA:240] Karakas
SB: 4 [M11:101] Leyline of the Void
SB: 1 [V09:14] Tinker
SB: 1 [CHK:273] Boseiju, Who Shelters All
SB: 1 [MBS:99] Blightsteel Colossus
SB: 1 [ISD:36] Stony Silence
SB: 1 [WAR:221] Teferi, Time Raveler
SB: 1 [7ED:60] Arcane Laboratory
SB: 1 [SCG:93] Form of the Dragon

@mugginsman
In my mind this replaces TNN not a lord.

@optionparalysis

Yes but that one only hurts also @BlindTherapy valid point.

@schmakt

Necro is a very fun card and if the aim is to get new players into the format DPS/TPS decks seem like a good start both offering a peak into the broken fun possible in vintage and a natural progression to playing the more viable blue tinker decks as the players attempt to tune out the inconsistency and fragility issues.