Notion Thief isn't the most resilient or effective threat, but it's a clock that stops cantrips and Paradoxical.
I often play Thieves with 2 Leovold (green also allows you to play Grudge with your Dacks).
@AeonSovarius I was thinking that a value oriented Oath deck would probably do better against blue while still dunking on shops.
In a bunch of side events i performed really well with a value oriented build. I played 2 flusters and 1 pyro and 2 grudges and 1 hurkyl's. Played with and without Night's Whisper. Did very well.
@aeonsovarius Shops. Dredge. Perhaps a Delver or Young Pyromancer matchup.
Gisela dominates creature combat in a similar fashion to Elesh Norn. Unlike Elesh Norn, it doesn't remove Spirit tokens from play which lets the opponent activate Oath
That's pretty cute.
Is this much better than Blazing Archon in that way though?
With regards to boarding out Oath, it just makes sense that if your opponent is going to board in 5 cards or more against your Oath plan, you seek to reduce the impact of those cards by boarding out copies of Oath. You can then leverage your Planeswalkers or hardcast your creatures while they draw redundant disenchants and Cages. That is a form of virtual card advantage and a concept that most players don't consider.
Definitely. Do you just play control at that point basically? Cause castable Oath targets are great but not all Oath builds play strictly castable ones.
It is difficult to pull ahead of other decks in terms of cards in your hand with Oath. This archetype has quite a few viable strategies that each gain an advantage in their own way. The amount of Preordains really impacts how games play out. Fewer Preordains usually requires more Jaces and or Deep Analysis. This is a strategy that can gain card advantage. More Preordains helps to find lands or cards you need.
Have you ever played Night's Whisper? I tried it in the main and liked it, idk if it's good enough. I also thought about couple Painful Truths for grindy matches/mirrors.
I've recently been experimenting with cutting tutors and playing three to four Pyroblasts, three Flusterstorms, and Four Missteps.
You mean with no Forces?
I am a big proponent of Mission Briefing in Oath. Recasting Time Walk or Ancestral Recall can give the deck an edge when it needs it. I almost consider this card as important to the deck as Gush.
Gush is a card i've played with and without to experiment. I don't always like the difficulty in rebuilding multiple colors.
Matt explained when to cut Oath of Druids pretty well below. The other aspect to cutting Oaths is the mirror match. I have found over the years that the best strategy in the mirror is to cut all of the Oaths and side in one to two Nature's Claims and one or two Sudden Shocks. The mirror becomes a game of who can gain an advantage from any Oath on the board by having more Orchards or using Sudden Shock to kill the Spirit tokens under your control. It is also a race to hard cast your creatures. You can still keep some number of Oath's in after game one, but this strategy runs the risk of your opponent using it to win.
I am having difficulty knowing how many to cut.
I had a match where my opponent cut all 4 of theirs and i cut 2, so had a huge do-nothing match and went to time with neither of us resolving our monsters (which aren't plentiful at 2-3 out of 60 cards).
Do i just cut 4 Oaths and play a control match?
What is the general purpose of Gisela? When do you bring her in?
Anyone have any spicy ideas for Oath? I have been playing Niv Mizzet and enjoy it. I don't see Oath as a value oreinted Snapcaster style deck but i have also tinkered with playing Mission Briefing.
Maybe @brianpk80 can answer this better, but I think you can cut a number of oaths in the PO matchup.
Why would you cut an Oath?
I played 4c Leovold Thieves (only green cards were Leovold and Grudge in the board) in the main event. Leovold and Notion Thief are very strong threats against Paradoxical. Went 3-0 and 2-1 and 2-0 split tickets in the sides. I had been testing and playing a Drain Gifts deck with packages like Tinker/Time Walk, Volt Key, YawgWill/Snap/Mission briefing to put together a win upon resolution but didn't feel confident so i went with my Night's Whisper Leovold/Thief/Dack/Kess valuetown control. Perfomed poorly, went 1-1-1 and drop.
Played the same in a few Challenges and overperformed. Went 3-0, 2-0 split tickets, 2-1.
Today i played 4 Challenges with Griselbrand Oath, and transform sideboard into Paradoxical. Went 3-0 tricking people into boarding dead cards :), then had a 3-0 repeat doing the same thing. It was nuts to see people play dead cards and go "hmmm, i thought you were on Oath" and i get to reply and say "Yea, well i was a while ago, then i sideboarded 12 cards". Also had Tinker/Colossus package in the Paradoxical board, which i would bring in with more artifact removal and a little mana vs Shops instead of boarding into Paradoxical.
Third side event i played Paradoxical first and boarded into Oath, for the funsies. Kind of a flex but was i was having a blast. Went 2-1 but i really only lost the one round due to variance and just nutty statistics. I can't be too salty but i feel some pride in how close it was and how much it was not my fault. I'm happy.
Fourth i went 2-1 playing an Oath control brew with 1 each Niv Mizzet, Dragonlord Dromoka, Griselbrand. I lost fair and square to another Oath deck. We played a stupid weird game. I didn't show him Oath/Orcahrd in our game 1 but he saw me playing Oath earlier and boarded his 4 Oaths out. I was sure he was on Oath although game 1 i didn't see an Orchard or Oath from him either, so i boarded out some Oaths. Our game was so stupidly durdle and we traded activating Orchards so that neither of could sneak an Oath trigger. Once he hit 2 Orchards, i hit 2 Orchards. I ended that game with 10 tokens and he hardcast Grisel, i hard cast Dromoka, and he had only 6 spirits (i couldn't keep up after he hit 3rd Orchard). It was just weird, a tiny bit awful, and a lot of fun. In hindsight i should have attacked with spirits and dared him to race me since he activated more fetches and cast more Painful Truths.
Niv Mizzet is super exciting! I'm not too super fond of the design space of "do X, draw a card" or cards with the design "here's 6 abilities that may or may not have to do with each other". But Niv is awesome. I got to live the dream of Oath into Niv Mizzet, Time Walk, Oath in Griselbrand. Played against shops and we were both 6/7 and they Metamorphed my Niv to have a blocker, i By Force their Niv and resolve Twister. Such a blast.
@nower1990 I'm not saying there is no hope, but chalice at least counters spells and shuts people out, Null Rod does as well. I just imagine there are cases where i might resolve a Ponder with Chains on the field anyway. But i am not an expert.
@nower1990 It doesn't "do" anything and there aren't a ton of decks that would want to suffer that effect themselves.
I guess think about the best deck Chains could go in, and then wonder from there if that deck would really be any good.
Does anyone have a Volcanic Island i could borrow? I have collateral and pretty well-known and trusted in various Facebook trade groups. (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1386305538261835/permalink/2373880926170953)