@ChubbyRain said in JANUARY 9, 2017 BANNED AND RESTRICTED ANNOUNCEMENT POLL:
@Smmenen said in JANUARY 9, 2017 BANNED AND RESTRICTED ANNOUNCEMENT POLL:
Yeah, we forgot to get to that one
Because Mentor is so much better than the next best substitute (Pyromancer or whatever), restricting Mentor, I believe, would dent Gush's overall prevalence, but it's hard to know by how much. Could be as little as 5-10% or could be more on the order of 25-33, or even 40%. That's much harder for me to predict. But that's probably the range.
If Gush is restricted, I think Mentor will end up being restricted when it's discovered that restricting Gush had no suppressing effect on Mentor's prevalence.
You are right that if Gush is restricted Mentor will probably need to be restricted. The problem is that the converse is also true.
You may be right, but that's much less clear than the converse. In other words, there is much more uncertainty about that.
It depends upon what the acceptable threshold is for the % of Gush decks in the metagame. Restricting Mentor is almost certainly going to reduce the % of Gush decks in the metagame by some amount. The only question is by how much. It could be very little, or it could be alot.
It's possible that restricting Mentor will bring Gush below that acceptable threshold. But, as you suggest and seem to believe, it might not. But, a little might actually be enough. It's hard to tell.
Where did this false dichotomy come from that either Mentor or Gush is the problem? That either Mentor or Gush need the be restricted? They are both huge constraints on the Vintage metagame and it is reasonable to restrict both of them.
First of all, I agree that's a false dichotomy. That's why I prefer the restriction of Preordain first, if the DCI believes action is needed.
Second, it's not unreasonable to hold the view that restricting one will ultimately lead to the other being restricted, but there is an asymmetry there. It's more likely that restricting Mentor will reduce the prevalence of Gush (by at least some measurable %) than restricting Gush would reduce the prevalence of Mentor.
Third, of course it's possible to restrict multiple cards. But restriction is a really dramatic and heavy-handed change to the format, and given that every restriction makes some players unhappy (as Golem did), there is a background imperative to try to minimize the damage by restricting as few cards as possible. Restricting two cards were only one is needed runs against the philosophy of the format, that we are permitted to play with all of our cards. It's better to restrict one card a time so that we can better understand the impact of each restriction to ensure that each is truly needed.