@vaughnbros said in JANUARY 9, 2017 BANNED AND RESTRICTED ANNOUNCEMENT POLL:
@Smmenen Gitaxian Probe is really not comparable to Street Wraith, or Preordain to do this shows a massive misunderstanding of why the card sees so much play and why its so good. Yes, it cycles and for 0 mana, but that is pretty much where the comparisons ends.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying.
I realize you want to stand on a pedestal and explicate your views on Gitaxian Probe, which is great, but you are swinging at a straw man.
Re-read what I said:
I didn't say that Street Wraith is a better card than Probe. It clearly isn't. Just that Street Wraith is better for strictly thinning purposes, as it can't be countered/missteped, etc. If all you were trying to do was thin your deck, for whatever reason, and you didn't care at all about what your opponent was playing or hand in hand or seek to generate storm or tokens, etc then Street Wraith would be just as good. Obviously, those things matter or else Probe wouldn't see so much play.
In other words, I specifically listed out the things that Probe does that Street Wraith doesn't:
- It generates storm
- It triggers token generators
- It reveals your opponent's hand
*and, if you want, it's blue.
I also said: Street Wraith doesn't see any play, and Probe sees lots.
Conclusion: the reason Probe sees play is not primarily because of it's cycling or thinning ability. That was the whole point of my post.
I'm sorry you got hung up on the fact that I mentioned Probe and Street Wraith the same sentence, but I didn't do so for the purpose you seem to think I did.
I think Preordain is a much better card in terms of shaping the structure of the Vintage format. Preordain can selection 1 of 3 cards for one mana. Probe is 1 card for 0 mana.
There is a legitimate argument for restricting Preordain, but not, I think, for Probe.