[AER] Ajani Unyeilding - Payin' 4WG For Ancestral

No this definitely is not good enough for Vintage. Shouldn't have made this thread.

@desolutionist Yes, it has been a great day for us to learn, my brother. Now, we know not to make threads about 6cc walkers.

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Well the joke's on you because now Ajani can cost only 5 mana (or less) 😛 😛 😛

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@fsecco I'm actually disgusted that they keep printing planeswalkers matters cards. Next we'll have "search your library for a mythic rare card and put it into your hand."

@Water0 It's totally different. Mythic is not an in-game information, whereas Planeswalker is. I don't mind this at all. I wonder if we'll ever have an ammount of effects like that where PW superfriends can be a thing. It's possible it will be in Standard, since they seem to be pushing that. But I'd be very glad if Vintage Superfriends was a thing (and not that Narset Moat control from months ago).

I'd say Heart of Kiran is a good card to go in that direction.

@fsecco Heart of Kiran is a mythic rare that has an ability that only cares about mythic rares. This might not be the best place for this kind of discussion, but printing mythics (especially obviously pushed ones) that care about other mythics is a very, very bad direction to take this game.

The Llorwyn 5 are the only rare 'walkers. I didn't realize that

An argument could be made that the decision to print Intro deck planeswalkers eases the "but mythic only" feel since those are mythic in expansion symbol color, only.

That is a great trivia question AJ. Can anyone tell me what exactly is the dislike for mythics? I seem to have just missed this piece of MTG culture.

More rare = more expensive. I think that's the core complaint.

When Mythic was created, they made a lot of promises/predictions/claims that it wouldn't just be tournament-level cards but would instead focus on epic characters and unique effects.

Mark Rosewater: This now leads us to the next question: How are cards split between rare and mythic rare? Or more to the point, what kind of cards are going to become mythic rares? We want the flavor of mythic rare to be something that feels very special and unique. Generally speaking we expect that to mean cards like Planeswalkers, most legends, and epic-feeling creatures and spells. They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards.

We've also decided that there are certain things we specifically do not want to be mythic rares. The largest category is utility cards, what I'll define as cards that fill a universal function. Some examples of this category would be cycles of dual lands and cards like Mutavault or Char. That also addresses a long-standing issue that some players have had with certain rares like dual lands. Because we're making fewer cards per set, in the new world individual rares will be easier to acquire because each rare in a large set now appears 25% more often.

Source: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/year-living-changerously-2008-06-02

A lot of people (including me) felt like the commitment not to put utility cards at Mythic was immediately violated by Lotus Cobra. The high-profile and rapid violation of their stated policy (as many saw it) made people very distrustful of Mythic rarity, and many came to see it as basically a money grab. Personally, I think the whole rarity system is a poorly-considered cash grab, and that alternative business models would probably produce higher profit as well as a more satisfied player base.

Examples of utility lands at Mythic: Eye of Ugin, Bazaar of Baghdad (Eternal Masters), Maze's End, Mirrorpool, Volrath's Stronghold (of all cards. in Tempest Remastered). This seems to me as flagrant a violation of their stated policy as can possibly exist, with the exception of straight up putting a set's cycle of dual lands at Mythic.

@ajfirecracker I don't want to get too far off topic, but what I think they should do is have lower rarities for cards, and put special "masterpieces" in the set of the rare cards. Let people collect foils and special alternate arts of stuff if they want, but let me get my utility card at a normal rarity. They also like to claim that mythic bombs balance limited but I disagree.

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