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      Serracollector last edited by

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      4 mana too heavy for this affect? A counterspell and essentially a time walk in Vintage, stopping combo, Mentor's, Scab-clans, maybe even Thalia? Not quite sure with the wording, ALL is a pretty clutch term. Thoughts?

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        Saya last edited by

        mindbreak trap

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          A Former User last edited by

          Yes...4 mana is much greater than 0 when comparing this to Mindbreak Trap.

          It's also not as good as you want it to be - a key part of why Flusterstorm and Mindbreak Trap are so good is that it's relatively easy to get a 2 for 1 or more with them, by casting an instant in response to their spell, then countering both their counterspell and the original spell. This will exile your own spell in that situation... you can't even use it in a counter battle as it will exile the spell you were trying to resolve.

          This card is unplayable in the Eternal Formats. It's actually a worse Voidslime.

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          • Cambriel
            Cambriel last edited by

            It might have legacy use, but I doubt vintage. It's templated specifically to provide a complete answer to large Eldrazi with cast triggers. It exiles without countering, so it'll hit uncounterable spells like big Emrakul, and will stifle that trigger. There's also some splash usefulness against Bloodbraid and Shardless.

            In vintage, the best case scenario is probably countering a gush, and devouring all of the mentor triggers with it. No new token, and existing ones won't pump. Something tells me the gush deck will just keep trucking and find another spell to cast.

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            • brianpk80
              brianpk80 last edited by

              It's an interesting design that's aimed at relevance in competitive play. Unfortunately, it needs a lot more to make the cut in Vintage, despite the fact that resolving it does interact with many things in the format. Discretion in which abilities/spells are countered would be a start, ie, "exile any number of spells and/or abilities" and then it would need some combination of an alternate casting cost, an outright lower casting cost, and auto-protection for itself on the stack, ie "cannot be countered" or something similar. By costing too much and being wide open to all opposing countermagic right down to the lowly Pyroblast, the card fails.

              Samantha: “Matt, the deck lost to Merfolk.”
              Matt: “I don’t build decks to beat Merfolk. In any format.”

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                A Former User @brianpk80 last edited by

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                  MaximumCDawg @Cambriel last edited by

                  @Cambriel said:

                  It might have legacy use, but I doubt vintage.

                  I doubt legacy. Four mana is way harder to assemble in Legacy than Vintage. There's a reason why Stifle sees occasional play but Squelch or Voidslime or whatever sees zero play anywhere.

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                  • wappla
                    wappla last edited by

                    Summary Dismissal was printed as an attempt to make blue-based control a viable archetype in a Standard format full of graveyard recursion and the Eldrazi cast triggers from the BFZ block.

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                    • Cambriel
                      Cambriel @MaximumCDawg last edited by Cambriel

                      @MaximumCDawg Probably. It's a clean answer to Emrakul, which is pretty much the only saving grace of the card. Unfortunately Emrakul is rarely cast in legacy, so it's moot.

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                        MaximumCDawg @wappla last edited by

                        @wappla said:

                        Summary Dismissal was printed as an attempt to make blue-based control a viable archetype in a Standard format full of graveyard recursion and the Eldrazi cast triggers from the BFZ block.

                        I suspect it will take more than a 4-casting cost counterspell to make Blue Control viable again.

                        Bring Back Counterspell 2016

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                          evouga @Cambriel last edited by evouga

                          @Cambriel said:

                          @MaximumCDawg Probably. It's a clean answer to Emrakul, which is pretty much the only saving race of the card. Unfortunately Emrakul is rarely cast in legacy, so it's moot.

                          But how often will you be able to counter Emrakul, yet not counter the Show and Tell that put Omniscience into play? And if you have your pick of which spell to counter, clearly you will want to counter Show and Tell.

                          This card is completely unplayable in all Eternal formats, thanks to its high casting cost and vulnerability to cheaper, better counterspells like Flusterstorm and Pyroblast, as Brian points out. Who knows if it will see play in Standard? I don't think that Standard decks can afford to sit on four mana to keep up Summary Dismissal, unless a lot of support cards for a control strategy remain to be spoiled.

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                            Cambriel @evouga last edited by

                            @evouga I completely agree. I'm just pointing out that it does provide an answer that no other card can replicate. Nothing else clears the stack so completely, so it's nice to see a genuinely new counter even if they have costed it out of playability.

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