[MH2] Void Mirror
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@protoaddict The card represents a potential crisis for Shops, for sure. But I don't think it is hopeless.
The first thing going for you is that many decks will not want to play the card, at least in the main deck, due to its symmetric effect. Any deck playing Force of Will/Vigor is making a significant tradeoff by adding this card.
If your opponent is playing the card, in some % of games, you should manage to get out a Mox before the opponent lands Void Mirror. And in some % of the remainder, you can get out Tolarian Academy, either with an already-played artifact or with Mishra's Factory. So you will only find yourself in a locked out position in some % of games.
With all that said, I think that Shops will need to evolve to have more options than that. One possibility is to add some more utility lands that add colored mana, such as Bojuka Bog, or any of the Odyssey set lands (Barbarian Ring, Cephalid Coliseum, etc.). Another possibility is to splash at least 1 basic land. This also hedges against Assassin's Trophy and Ghost Quarter. These options can be brought in from the sideboard.
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@revengeanceful If that is really true, then does, this bring back the old "fish" style decks of the past. Merfolk, Spirits and other tribal decks that have be unplayable in Vintage are now playable. Ninjas is even relevant again. I almost forgot to add Humans, which would be a clear front runner here.
Essentially, anything that can play Cavern of Souls.
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@moorebrother1 I suppose it's possible. I wasn't thinking about the potential revitalization of archetypes that aren't in the metagame currently. The question would be, what do those tribes offer up that the current Cavern decks (predominantly Humans) do not?
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@revengeanceful If these decks can play similar to the legacy decks then they have a great tempo game. Right now these decks have a very hard time against Vintage Combo decks that are very resilient like Doomsday and Breach.
If I could play Spirits, Ninjas, Merfolk, Goblins or Faeries then I would be playing Cavern of Souls and Aether Vial. These decks cannot play through Sphere effects like Humans and Archon tempo can, but they can play at a tempo that outpaces BUG and Xerox.
It's a thought, and these decks may just be dead in Vintage but I do think that Delver is once again viable as a tempo option with this card.
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How does this interact with the lattice?
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@botvinik it doesn't? lattice lets you spend mana as if it were mana of other colors, but if you don't spend colored mana on your spells mirror still counters it.
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Back in the day, could you counter Force of Will with Chalice @0?
I remember before they switched the vernacular from CC to CMC that Chalice countered Force. This could be a weird throwback to that format. It would be fun if that was the case. -
Doesn't this also stop storm copies too?
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@david-matthews no, storm copies are not cast, they are just put on the stack
if they were cast they themselves would get storm copies, and so on, infinitely -
I was thinking of Ghost Quarter to fetch a basic land. If Shops has Ghost Quarters in it plus a basic land in the deck, then with 5 Mox + Tolarian Academy + 4(or so) Ghost Quarters + a basic land, that is eleven colored mana sources that can be used to pay for spells so they don't get countered.
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@daniel-worobec
It would be interesting if this forced ghost quarters as a 4 of in all shops decks. -
So this enchantment + Void Mirror in a deck with Ornithopters, all Moxen, Phyrexian Walkers, Memnites, etc, can make a viable "draw my deck, find win con, win" type of deck? I remember people trying it with Chalice before, but this honestly seems much easier to pull off, maybe? Just a thought I had when I seen this trying to take it in a different direction than "anti-stax" or "psuedo Null Rod".
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4 Thoughtcast
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Seat of the Synod
4 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Ancient Tomb
1 Strip Mine
3 Snow-Covered Island
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
4 Walking Ballista
4 Arcbound Ravager
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Lodestone Golem
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Mystic Forge
1 Trinisphere
1 Thorn of Amethyst
4 Stonecoil Serpent -
Colored aggro shops here is a first shot.
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Chalice@5 is the only Chalice that has ever countered a FoW
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As a Mud player i'm glad i have many other decks i like to play. It seems that G2 on the play is an auto win with : land+mox = mud player looses the game. You only need 4x in side to destroy any mud deck.
I think there won't be so many voices claiming : "Restrict Workshp !".
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@francois-f Why wouldn't MUD decks side in Sprite guides. They can naturalize the artifact or use the sprite guide mana to play threats as they look for colored mana. Worse case scenario they just play Prophetic Prism out of the side board.
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@botvinik Replace those thought casts with the new 2/2 flyer and this jawn is golden.
I'd also run Tinker to tutor for Trinisphere/Forge/Lodestone, and for Wurmcoil postboard.
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Really? We get it already, you hate artifact decks. Why doesn’t this card read: “if Void Mirror is in your deck, you may begin the game with it in play.” I mean, might as well go all out instead of tiptoe around it. MUD decks have gotten so many nerfs and then this shit of a card is printed lol.
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
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@madmanmike25
With saga, mud is probably the strongest archetype right now. Null rod is doing more against mud than this (IMO).
