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      A Former User last edited by A Former User

      Yeah not to take the thread of course, but I've got my own plans for Eldrazi don't you worry about that!

      Anti-Storm, Artifact + non-artifact configurations have existed for a long time and ive cracked that puzzle long ago.

      Mentor is obviously a matchup that I'm highly focused on, and it's good for Storm pilots that Mentor pilots' attentions are being diverted to Eldrazi. Murray caught what I was saying. 🙂

      The metagame is like 5-7 decks that all interact with each other in different ways. It's hard for Mentor decks to suddenly just change what's been working for them because some other strategy will take advantage of the exposed weakness.

      Eldrazi is good because it's good against Mentor on a fundamental level, kind of like dredge.. But I mean I'm sure there is some way to make the matchup great for Mentor. But then will Mentor still have game against Storm? Oath? Dredge?

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        wfain last edited by wfain

        Trying a new version of UW/bg Mentor/Gush tonight.

        1 Sol Ring
        3 Swords to Plowshares
        1 Erayo, Soratami Ascendant
        3 Monastery Mentor
        1 Snapcaster Mage
        1 Demonic Tutor
        2 Gitaxian Probe
        1 Ponder
        1 Toxic Deluge
        1 Time Walk
        1 Treasure Cruise
        1 Ancestral Recall
        1 Vampiric Tutor
        4 Force of Will
        1 Dig Through Time
        3 Gush
        3 Mental Misstep
        1 Brainstorm
        1 Black Lotus
        1 Mox Emerald
        1 Mox Jet
        1 Mox Pearl
        1 Mox Sapphire
        2 Preordain
        3 Flooded Strand
        1 Strip Mine
        2 Flusterstorm
        4 Polluted Delta
        2 Tropical Island
        3 Tundra
        1 Deathrite Shaman
        1 Sylvan Library
        1 Island
        1 Balance
        1 Mystical Tutor
        2 Underground Sea
        1 Mox Ruby

        1 Notion Thief
        2 Ravenous Trap
        2 Containment Priest
        1 Nature's Claim
        1 Tormod's Crypt
        1 Aegis of the Gods
        1 Mindbreak Trap
        1 Disenchant
        1 Path to Exile
        1 Abrupt Decay
        1 Steel Sabotage
        2 Reflector Mage

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        • wfain
          wfain last edited by

          ended up 3-1. lost to uwr mentor with mana drain and vryn's prodigy. Guy didn't do well with that list overall though it is certainly favored in the mirror. Beat UW/g tinker/mentor, artifact shops, and eldrazi shops. was pretty happy with the deck overall.

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            mcfreiz last edited by

            Meekstone is cheap and shouldn't affect mentors/yp but it's pretty narrow

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              wfain @mcfreiz last edited by

              @mcfreiz it's something I want to try, just haven't gotten around to spending the six tickets yet

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                Arianeira last edited by

                If you are running white obvious creature answers are running 3-4 Swords to Plowshares, Balance and Path to Exile in the board if you have space.

                Stoneforge Mystic getting Batterskull is pretty good if your Batterskull does not get hit with Thought-Knot Seer. Does take up 3+ board slots which is a lot.

                @wfain
                That looks pretty nice. Reflector Mage seems good against the white eldrazi. How has Reflector Mage been for you?

                Unsure if green is worth it. Sylvan Library is amazing in Mentor mirrors and Ancient Grudge is great against shops and decent against Storm. if you are running Red and Green. If you are on Esper though, Dark Confidant seems like it would be a better option then splashing Green for Sylvan when are are not getting the benefit of Ancient Grudge.

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                • wfain
                  wfain @Arianeira last edited by

                  @Arianeira mage was fine, but is too narrow. I've found having access to 3 plow, balance, mystical tutor and 1-2 Jace VP gives you pretty good game against Eldrazi but it hurts you vs the combo decks and a little in the mirror. It's a hard deck to build right now

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                    letseeker @enderfall last edited by

                    @enderfall what could be done to imcorporate the wastelands is play 17-18 lands and play more artifact mana, but then what would you cut for those extra 4-5 cards

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                      Arianeira last edited by

                      Izzet Staticaster is another option against Eldrazi Bears with lots of X/1s like Revoker, Thalia, Vrynmare. Is not terrible against storm because it turns off the Goblins plan and pitchs to force. Kills monk tokens too. As a creature does not get hit by Thalia or Thorns.

                      Engineered Explosives is quite good against Bears decks as well as workshops. Have to watch out for Null Rod though.

                      Will have to figure out what I can fit, was hard enough fitting Aegis in the board for Storm.

                      @wfain
                      Have not run Mystical Tutor in a long time. Does not seem worthwhile with out game winning bombs like Tinker/Yawgmoth's Will in the deck.

                      Been running 3-4 baby Jace. Cut the 4th for a big Jace. Has been good in the mirror and against other blue decks. Decent against workshop if you can get it to flip and flash back swords/artifact removal.

                      Esper actually is best against combo you have black for discard like Thoughtseize. blue for counters and white for hate cards like Aegis of the Gods, Ethersworn Canonist, Rest in Peace, Stony Silence. You do lose Dack and Red artifact hate against workshops though. Disenchant and Serenity are quite good though.

                      @letseeker
                      You can trim the 4th Misstep, Second Fluster, Pyroblast for 3 Wastelands but that makes your storm/control match up worse. Wasteland is better in shops where you can recur it with Crucible that you can play off Workshop.

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                      • wfain
                        wfain @Arianeira last edited by

                        @Arianeira I guess it depends on how often you see Recall, Balance, Cruise, or Time Walk as game winning. I've ended up on 2 Jace Vp and 1 Snapcaster myself. I keep trying to find a spot for Staticaster but I never can figure out what to cut for it.

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                          Arianeira @wfain last edited by

                          This is a UWrb Mentor list I was testing before I was focused on legacy testing for Columbus that had game against storm and mirrors but was good against hate bear and shops decks. The cabal therapy + probe package gives you game against mirrors and storm.

                          3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
                          3 Monastery Mentor
                          1 Ancestral Recall
                          1 Brainstorm
                          2 Cabal Therapy
                          1 Demonic Tutor
                          1 Dig Through Time
                          1 Disenchant
                          1 Flusterstorm
                          4 Force of Will
                          3 Gitaxian Probe
                          3 Gush
                          1 Mana Drain
                          3 Mental Misstep
                          1 Ponder
                          2 Preordain
                          3 Swords to Plowshares
                          1 Time Walk
                          1 Treasure Cruise
                          2 Dack Fayden
                          1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
                          1 Black Lotus
                          1 Mox Jet
                          1 Mox Pearl
                          1 Mox Ruby
                          1 Mox Sapphire
                          4 Flooded Strand
                          1 Island
                          1 Library of Alexandria
                          2 Misty Rainforest
                          1 Polluted Delta
                          1 Strip Mine
                          3 Tundra
                          2 Underground Sea
                          2 Volcanic Island
                          SIDEBOARD
                          1 Aegis of the Gods
                          3 Containment Priest
                          2 Disenchant
                          1 Ethersworn Canonist
                          1 Engineered Explosives
                          1 Grafdigger's Cage
                          1 Massacre
                          1 Plains
                          1 Swords to Plowshares
                          1 Supreme Verdict
                          1 Rest in Peace
                          1 Tormod's Crypt

                          Massacre is pretty good against bear decks if they have plains but some of them don't have plains.

                          Not sure what I would cut to fit in stuff like Balance, Izzet Staticaster while still keeping 6 Dredge cards minimum and having a good board against shops.

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                          • wfain
                            wfain @Arianeira last edited by

                            @Arianeira Plague Spitter might be better than Massacre, but idk. It would keep you from filling the board with Monks down the line

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