Help with Steel City Vault
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@Topical_Island it is as if there are none in play.
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@wfain Well that might be one answer. It answers Dack pretty well too.
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@xouman would playing my own thief count as an answer to other thiefs then?
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@Topical_Island @wfain i have an entirely different deck, if you two are interested i can make an edit and post that list.
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@letseeker yes, your thief "counters" the ability of theirs if both are in play
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@letseeker I'm in, lets do it.
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@Topical_Island this is the updated list. im really liking burning wish so far as having that to be able to get a few silver bullets or another way to win has been good. the sideboard is pretty standard for the most part, i have my wish board, i have my shops and storm hate and i have dredge hate. the helm of obedience also comes in against dredge as a tinker target that just kills them.
Edit: forgot about bribery, I'm testing this against other tinker decks and oath1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
3 Mox Opal
1 Black Lotus
3 Seat of the Synod
1 City of Brass
4 Mana Confluence
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
2 Goblin Welder
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Tinker
1 Memory Jar
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Timetwister
2 Burning Wish
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Dig Through Time
3 Thirst for Knowledge
3 Thoughtcast
4 Force of Will
3 Mental Misstep
2 Flusterstorm
1 Misdirection
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Time Walk
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Notion Thief
SB: 1 Balance
SB: 1 Vandalblast
SB: 2 Mindbreak Trap
SB: 2 Ingot Chewer
SB: 1 Tendrils of Agony
SB: 4 Leyline of the Void
SB: 2 Ancient Grudge
SB: 1 Helm of Obedience
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@letseeker Holy Brokenness Batman. That is a super interesting list. It seems really well put together and coherent. A negative that I see is just metagame position. I wonder how this thing does against Gush Mentor? I would guess about 50/50 but I have no idea. (I love bribery in the board, awesome... hello Mentor... I wonder if that shouldn't just be mainboard... seriously. What percentage of your metagame is Oath, runs Tinker Collosus, or runs that pesky Mentor? 40%?)
On the downside, this thing looks really soft to Fish/Hatebear/Humans type strategies, which are on the rise for sure. Stony Silence looks like a huge beating for you. I like Wish into Vandalblast against Null Rod. That seems ok. But I would think Hatebears, anything with Scab-clan Berserker against you is going to be rough. And that seems like it might be the soup du jour.
I wonder what sort of tuning you could do against those decks... Sweepers?
Those are my thoughts.
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@Topical_Island
One thing I would like to say is this is a very untested deck so I can only theory craft at this point. Against mentor i have balance, it's mind twist, one sided board wipe , or one sided Armageddon, or all three. I imagine mentor to be decent because they have to counter just about every card I play and I can refill faster than they can with the draw 7's, and my cards Would be much more powerful so the draw back isn't as bad. As for the meta, cockatrice is constantly changing and it's hard to tell. For the fish decks I just try to be faster than what they can keep up with. As I said this is all theory crafting at this point -
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I have thought about replacing the ingot chewers for nature's claim just to be able to beat null rod and stony silence, any thoughts on this?
