@desolutionist said in Rules for Vintage B&R list:
You certainly cannot defend Lodestone's current placement using language, since as you said, it's a 4-cmc card. It's a Vintage playable Juggernaut. Part of the reason Shops ended up with a restricted Thorn of Amethyst and restricted Chalice is because they can use their superior mana generating lands to play multiple threats/lock pieces in a single turn. With Lodestone, that's all they're playing for their turn. So anyone has a fair opportunity to answer it by also playing just a single card.
A lot of the reason that Lodestone is restricted is because of the redundancy of sphere effects, which is part of the issue with the rule set as well. Even with shops I do not believe lodestone would ever have been banned if we didn't have Sphere, Thorn (now restricted), Cotv (also now restricted), and all the strip mine effects. How many blue cantrips exist vs the ones that are restricted and how do you make the determination of which ones need restriction and how many. Brainstorm might have been fine as a 4 of if there were no other blue cantrips.
@vaughnbros Before, I'd have said no to FoW...but with FoN as basically a "fixed" FoW (defense, not an enabler), I'm okay with axing it.
I'd add bazaar to the list, too. Troll and other cards could come off if the busted lands just got hit.
I agree with all of this. I think the pillars are a crutch and by restricting FOW, Bazaar, and shops you actually open the format up so much that you may see a large number of new deck types. I would even take it one step further and say that you should restrict fetches and true duals, as they are as much a pillar as any other enabling lands.