Grixis Pyromancer
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@letseeker Is there a tendrils missing from your list? This could be a personal thing but casting yag will with all of those tutors and a fastbond without being able to be like "oops I win" would drive me nuts.
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I think the main question you've got to ask yourself is "why should I ever play Young Pyromancer when Mentor exists?"
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@WashableWater I agree with no Cavern in your list.
How has Jace VP performed for you? I tried them out for a bit and found them to be slower than I liked. To me, the one thing that delver lists have over Mentor lists is that they are inherently faster, and Jace VP purposely slows the game down. Delver wants to force opposing decks to play at their faster pace. Mentor Wants to control the board best they can while sculpting a hand that can drop a mentor and win over the next two turns or sooner. -
@p3temangus JVP has been very good for me, but I also think 3 might be too much. The looter mode is ok, being able to dump a therapy then flash it back without black mana is sometimes relevant. I'll tend to lead with a JVP over a Pyromancer because it becomes much easier to get a couple Pyromancer triggers with a Jace in play.
Once flipped, he actually supports Pyro quite well. A lot of the things that prevent you from attacking with a Pyromancer are 2 power. Shrinking a token/snapcaster/revoker/Thalia allows you to be more aggressive, and a 9/11 blightsteel can be less of a threat than a Pyromancer.
Pyromancer decks operate on incremental advantage, which JVP excels at. While flashing back a Recal, DT or Time Walk can win a game on the spot, buying back a Gush/Preordain here and there can pull you pretty far ahead.
I like JVP a lot, I wouldn't run less than 2 in my lists. 3 may be a bit much, but they do pitch to Force.
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@p3temangus it changed a lot, i could never deceide on a tendrills, an empty the warrens, or a fourth yp, and with the fourth yp i still had the oops i win because i could chain together so many spells and flood the board, but as i said i never deceided which was best and it does come to personal preference
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@JuzamJim because young pyro beats mentor in my experience
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@JuzamJim i played the deck for about two months and won the vast majority of my games against mentor because young pyro comes down earlier and pressures them earlier
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Hey everyone, I've post a bunch of 3-1 and 4-0 with Grixis Pyromancer on modo a few months back. Lately the deck seems to fail to outrace Mentor. I am still trying different ways in the SB to combat it (Sulfur Elemental, Dread of Night, Sudden shock) But its a difficult matchup. I'm still torn if I like Snapcaster better than JVP. I wish we could play Jace, the Mind Sculptor but its difficult to cast him consistently. I'm still not giving up hope on this deck, but i did retire my Delvers for now
Delver has fallen off of the strength ladder due to Eldrazi Shops being super aggro its tough to outrace. Pyromancer is still really good block the Thought-Knots, Smasher is tough with trample but I do like Pyromancer decks vs Shops still. I also think Cabal Therapy is REALLY REALLY good in the format right now as well as Baleful Strix. I'll be testing the deck tomorrow with some friends (they are on Storm and Esper Mentor). Also i'll be probably running in the daily tonight.
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@i_b_TRUE Before Shops started including Eldrazi, Delver may have been one of the strongest cards in the matchup. Similar to what you describe, I got BLOWN OUT by a turn 2 Thought-Knot (exiling my bolt) and my delver flipped right away. Bolt + Elemental token to kill Thought-Knot is extremely doable, especially with the bolt replacing the dead token, but the difference between 3 and 4 toughness in this format is like night and day.
I am not ready to move my delvers back to the binder just yet, but if Eldrazi shops continues to gain momentum it will probably have to happen. It even made me consider some number of echoing truth MB, since it can be broken with Cabal Therapy and helps a lot with the Oath matchup.
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@p3temangus Young Pyromancer is one of my favorite cards, so I'm doing anything I can to make it keep going!
But the Edlrazi shops is difficult for Delver, and Mentor is a huge annoying problem four Pyromancer decks. The best answer is unfortunately Dread of Night in testing which isn't that great. But it does do some work vs the random White Trash lists running around.
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@i_b_TRUE said:
@p3temangus Young Pyromancer is one of my favorite cards, so I'm doing anything I can to make it keep going!
But the Edlrazi shops is difficult for Delver, and Mentor is a huge annoying problem four Pyromancer decks. The best answer is unfortunately Dread of Night in testing which isn't that great. But it does do some work vs the random White Trash lists running around.
". . . the random White Trash lists running around." I wonder when folks are going to wake up and realize that there is nothing "random about these decks. This isn't 2006.
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@Stormanimagus I think your taking that the wrong way? When you look at the meta, a deck that really isnt showing up consistently could be considered "random" since you wont be prepared. Those decks do cause issues for the the decks not ready for the tax cards. Dread of Night does some work vs Thalia/Spirits. Is this more clear?
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What is everyone opinion on murderous cut as a potential sideboard option for shops/eldrazi, oath, and humans? Delving through spheres always helps, so for one black you can kill anything.
