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    • M
      msg67183 last edited by

      Hello, I haven't played much Vintage lately, but after seeing Force of Vigor, I wanted to see how it would work in one of my pet decks, Elves! Here is the list I came up with, I would like feedback on my list:

      Mana (15):
      8 Forest
      2 Gaea's Cradle
      1 Dryad Arbor
      4 Elvish Spirit Guide

      Creatures (33):
      2 Llanowar Elves
      2 Fyndhorn Elves
      2 Elvish Mystic
      3 Quirion Ranger
      4 Birchlore Rangers
      4 Heritage Druid
      4 Nettle Sentinel
      4 Wirewood Symbiote
      4 Elvish Visionary
      2 Priest of Titania
      1 Reclamation Sage
      1 Archon of Valor's Reach
      1 Craterhoof Behemoth

      Draw/Tutor (11):
      4 Glimpse of Nature
      4 Green Sun's Zenith
      3 Natural Order

      Sideboard:
      4 Ravenous Trap
      4 Force of Vigor
      3 Reclamation Sage
      2 Scavenging Ooze
      1 Collector Oupche
      1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed

      Only 2 Cradle, because having Cradle as the only land in your opener is brutal.

      Archon of Valor's Reach is a very powerful card. It straight up stops Workshops from playing, is quite good against Xerox, as well as Outcome.

      Collector out of the board is a tutor target for Shops, Outcome and the like.

      Ruric Thar is for Outcome.

      What are everyone's thoughts on my list? Anything you would add?

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      • Uvatha
        Uvatha last edited by

        Cavern of Souls seems obvious?

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        • M
          msg67183 last edited by

          Cavern of Souls, while good, hardly even shows up in Legacy lists. I honestly don't think it's needed.

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          • T
            Trius last edited by

            I would play Cavern too. Mental Misstep isn't legal in Legacy.

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            • M
              msg67183 last edited by

              Sure, but I could also play Gaea's Herald without compromising my mana base to Wasteland, without spending a fortune on a playset of Cavern.

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              • Brass Man
                Brass Man last edited by

                It slows down your combo, but I would strongly consider maindecking the 4 [[Force of Vigor]] (or at least SOME number of them). I think it's remarkably strong in the format right now, and I've personally considered taking a look at Elf Combo entirely on the back of the card. I like to see someone taking a crack at it, and I love the [[Archon of Valor's Reach]] tech.

                I think it makes a lot of sense to maindeck the [[Collector Ouphe]] as well. With 4 [[Green Sun's Zenith]] in the deck already, that gives you access to a ton of disruption with a minimal investment. I think you could make the case for several other disruptive creatures as well? (A splash for [[Gaddock Teeg]] comes to mind.) but I understand that each non-elf you add to the deck is going to slow you down. Ouphe is the best of them though, and is probably worth the slot.

                I wonder if you want any of the new Canopy lands? ([[Horizon Canopy]]/[[Waterlogged Grove]]/[[Nurturing Peatland]]) it seems like the damage is pretty negligible for this deck, and you can quickly get enough mana generation on the board to make all of your non-Cradle lands redundant.

                I think it's likely that the optimal version of this deck runs a second color, (blue for power?) and pretty obviously [[Black Lotus]] and [[Mox Emerald]], but it sounds like you're building this with a budget in mind and they certainly aren't necessary for this deck in the same way that they are for an Outcome list.

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                • M
                  msg67183 last edited by

                  Gaddock Teeg, while a great disruptive card, shuts off my own Green Sun's Zenith and Natural Order, so I don't think it's worth it in my mind.
                  I could see slipping in the Collector into the main, but I don't really think I need the Force of Vigors maindeck, seeing as I have access to a tutorable and recurring removal in the form of Reclamation Sage. There used to be a time where Reclamation Sage + Wirewood Symbiote was lights out for Workshops, maybe if I include Collector, that can be true again.
                  Can you think of any other Green Tutor Targets?

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                  • vaughnbros
                    vaughnbros last edited by

                    Elf combo seems a bit slow in the current meta. That is why he is suggesting Force of Vigor and Ouphe. These cards can help you make up the speed difference. I think ultimately a hate bear list is better for unpowered though.

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                    • M
                      msg67183 last edited by

                      MENTAL MISSTEP IS AT ONE!!!! This makes me very happy! On a serious note, I think this deck does get a huge bump from the B&R list announcement.

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                      • T
                        Tittliewinks22 last edited by

                        I'd run 1 skullclamp

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                        • M
                          msg67183 last edited by

                          I think the Tutorable Null Rod is better than Skullclamp, just my opinion.

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                          • T
                            Tittliewinks22 @msg67183 last edited by

                            @msg67183 said in Elves! 2k19:

                            I think the Tutorable Null Rod is better than Skullclamp, just my opinion.

                            Why not both?

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                            • M
                              msg67183 last edited by

                              Why give myself the possibility of drawing the Skullclamp after I have the Rod Effect out?

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