Welp if the rest of this cycle is as good as these 2 then I guess no need for lands in dredge anymore, lol.

EDIT:
Just to add a bit more, Dredge can easily hit its 16 Green cards with its 4 Golgari Grave-Trolls, 4 of these, and then some combination of other cards, like Basking Rootwalla / Vengevine / Nature's Claim / Life from the Loam / Dread Return Targets / Abrupt Decay / other green dredgers / ect.

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@fsecco said in [MH1] Force of Vigor:

Predictions? Black will be based on Hymn to Tourach or Fatal Push; Red will be a better Pyrotecnics (although I'd love a free Light up the Stage) and white will be a token generator.

There is no way black is getting an instant speed, pitchable Hymn that is legal in modern. They already have unmask and it is probably right where the power level needs to be. More likely they get creature removal because it's black, and I would assume white gets an instant speed pitch protection spell.

Yea, a better version of Contagion seems right

@serracollector said in [MH1] Force of Vigor:

So 2-3 of these in Survivals sideboard almost ensures a victory versus MUD? Chuck my extra survival EOT, destroy what ever, untap, win??

It certainly helps the matchup. Hitting 2 artifacts for free is absurd, while energy field is usually a win but not Always castable, i think this card gives a better show at winning. The only thing I'm not sure about is it's use against decks like outcome. It would be a 4 for 2 hitting 2 artifacts in response to outcome (or even before) but IDK...

@protoaddict loam over shambling shell, if there's any mana-producing lands in the 75

@protoaddict of course, they need to be instant or else the whole cycle fails. My bad. Yeah, instant Hymn is of course not viable. Thing is if the black one is removal, the red one can be just that too - but maybe they'll settle for a new "Fireblast".

Ironically I JUST had a post about "How do I beat shop's sphere-heavy hand while on the draw" (thinking particularly about my WG deck) and the answer outside of FoW/dredge was "there's no free-mana answer to sphere lock, sometimes you just lose." Now we have this beauty. How did WotC jump into the future to read my thread and then go back in time a year to develop this answer? They really are "Wizards".

I'm going to abuse the crap out of this card in Bant Humans with Knight and Tireless Tracker and Lavinia. 🙂

Bravo Wizards! A great spell for Vintage and green in general.

@fsecco said in [MH1] Force of Vigor:

@protoaddict of course, they need to be instant or else the whole cycle fails. My bad. Yeah, instant Hymn is of course not viable. Thing is if the black one is removal, the red one can be just that too - but maybe they'll settle for a new "Fireblast".

My guess is that red will be a pyroclasm style effect as that is a turn 0 answer to tokens, White may be a pitch angels grace style cant lose effect, and black will be some snuff out style thing or a resurrect effect.

It is in reds color pie to get a non-basic land destruction spell but as a free card it would probably ruin modern at free and instant speed. You could also see a prismatic strands style card or grave hate in white but those feel too weak.

@protoaddict white was leaked, it's Swords to Plowshares for 2 mana

@blindtherapy said in [MH1] Force of Vigor:

@protoaddict white was leaked, it's Swords to Plowshares for 2 mana

what? where is it leaked?

@stormanimagus i saw the picture on facebook, i think Travis Compton posted it, not sure where he got it

@blindtherapy said in [MH1] Force of Vigor:

@stormanimagus i saw the picture on facebook, i think Travis Compton posted it, not sure where he got it

Can you please link me? It isn't on mtgsalvation at all.

@blindtherapy

If it's what I've seen, it's fake. (Sorry, WhatsApp group, so no link)

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@vaughnbros The first green cards I would consider would be Grave-Troll (obviously), Noxious Revival (in the Petrified Field slot), Shambling Shell (which has Dredge 3 but can be eaten by Unmask and Ichorid) and perhaps Molderhulk as a Dread Return target

Honestly I don't think you have to worry about green count that much because you should have some time to filter your hand vs Leyline and vs everything else you can Dredge a Troll which you are definitely running anyway

@ajfirecracker

Leyline I think is the main reason to run this card. I'm looking a multiple set ups:

I like Muldrotha a lot as a dread return target and it pitches to all the cards now so that is nice. Along with some number of Life from the Loam, and Nature's Claims I think I can hit the 16 in standard list without feeling it all. Shambling Shell makes sense in an Ichorid build over Golgari Thug.

Land Grant + Dryad Arbor are more interesting to me with this card in my deck

The survival plan of 4 Rootwallas + 4 Vengevines is also interesting

I think Noxious Revival is pretty bad. I don't really like GY cards that don't actually work from the GY.

I've been texting my friends about how great I think this card is.
It has obvious inclusions in the sideboards of Survival, Dredge, BUG Fish, and Oath. It makes green beaters like Tarmogoyf better. It has combo brew potential with things like Manamorphose and Regrowth. I'm excited.

Trygon Predator pitches to all the useful Forces now. Sweet.

so does Transguild Courier

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