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      Rodtrav last edited by Rodtrav

      Hi,

      I saw the phoenix deck running around in legacy and wanted to see if I could port it to vintage with some obvious improvements. This deck is not 100% refined but has the ability to provide some absolutely busted draws 21 power on the first turn with no interaction etc.

      Please let me know your thoughts, the list is below.

      Sorcery (18)
      4x Buried Alive
      4x Cabal Therapy
      3x Faithless Looting
      1x Gitaxian Probe
      3x Thoughtseize
      1x Time Walk
      Land (16)
      2x Badlands
      4x Bazaar of Baghdad
      3x Polluted Delta
      3x Scalding Tarn
      2x Underground Sea
      2x Volcanic Island
      Artifact (6)
      1x Black Lotus
      1x Mox Emerald
      1x Mox Jet
      1x Mox Pearl
      1x Mox Ruby
      1x Mox Sapphire
      Creature (14)
      4x Arclight Phoenix
      3x Basking Rootwalla
      4x Hollow One
      4x Prized Amalgam
      Instant (6)
      1x Ancestral Recall
      4x Dark Ritual
      2x Mental Misstep
      Sideboard (15)
      2x Gut Shot
      3x Hydroblast
      4x Pyroblast
      2x Silent Gravestone
      2x Tormod's Crypt
      2x Young Pyromancer

      Edit-Removing Additional Probes

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        Macdeath @Rodtrav last edited by

        @rodtrav Vintage has Survival which is pretty much a strictly better version of this deck.

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        • Protoaddict
          Protoaddict last edited by

          Probe is restricted.

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            Rodtrav last edited by Rodtrav

            Yes you are indeed correct about probe I should have looked thanks. I felt that this deck and survival were different but I could have been mistaken. Survival feels more like a grindy Toolbox deck that has answers to everything. When i was brewing the above list I was more worried about if it would just be a worse dredge.

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              craw_advantage @Rodtrav last edited by craw_advantage

              @rodtrav said in Phoenix Brew:

              Yes you are indeed correct about probe I should have looked thanks. I felt that this deck and survival were different but I could have been mistaken. Survival feels more like a grindy Toolbox deck that has answers to everything. When i was brewing the above list I was more worried about if it would just be a worse dredge.

              Survival's strength is that it can opt into playing either the grindy toolbox style or the explosive comboish style, depending on what's appropriate to the matchup and/or game state. Not to say that Phoenix isn't worth trying, but getting some games in with Survival might bring the strengths and weakness of this deck into relief somewhat. Something that jumps out at me is this: is there much synergy between Phoenix/Buried Alive and Bazaar/Rootwalla/Hollow One? In Survival the latter package works because Rootwalla and Hollow One are reanimate Vengevines, so the only "extra" card is Bazaar which works with all of it, but unless I'm missing something you just have two separate game plans, right?

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                Rodtrav @craw_advantage last edited by Rodtrav

                @craw_advantage I do have what seems like two seperate game plans but there were many times where I would have two to 3 phoenix in my hand and a Buried Alive, making the Buried Alive useless. I then added the Bazaar to be able to discard them. The Prized Amalgam's were added as a natural card for synergy with Phoenix coming out of the GY. Sometimes in testing I did not have any of the above but was able to get three hollow one's in play off of the back of one activation of a Bazaar.

                The Rootawala's are probably the weakest card and the easiest cut. I am by no means saying this is a fine tuned list but perhaps a start. Getting to three spells is pretty trivial in vintage and wanted to give it a try.

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                • John Cox
                  John Cox last edited by

                  I made something similar. I was doing well in the practice room but terrible in leagues. Maybe you can salvage it.

                  0_1552187302562_bazaar deck.JPG

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                    Rat3dE last edited by

                    @Rodtrav I would say you need to copy more from the Legacy decklist. I see a lot of different gameplans going on here and you need to be more focused. I would suggest adding around 3 Young Pyromancer to the maindeck and cutting the Amalgams and Rootwallas as they do not contribute to your plan of casting spells and generating massive value for a low cost. Additionally you probably do not need Faithless Looting if you have Bazaar. I would also recommend upping the number of Mental Misstep to at the very least 3 as it helps you resolve most of your key spells. I would also suggest cutting some number of Dark Ritual and Buried Alive since Bazaar is so darn efficient at what it does. If you want more discard outlets I would suggest some number of Vintage all-star Dack Fayden. For the Sideboard I would suggest cutting the Silent Gravestones because Surgical is not played in Vintage nearly as much as Legacy and would also suggest cutting the Hydroblast for some more Shops and Dredge hate.

                    "Pitch Dredge is the worst thing to happen to Vintage this decade." - 2015 Vintage Champion Brian Kelly

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                    • thecravenone
                      thecravenone last edited by

                      I played Grixis Phoenix a few weeks ago but unfortunately did not save the decklist.

                      My build was more like a modified Grixis Pyromancer deck. With 4 Cabal Therapies, some number of Thoughtseizes, and of course 4 Buried Alive, looting and other GY powering effects weren't really necessary.

                      Here's the one pic I took that has a lot of cards in it that should give an idea of what my decklist looked like.

                      Quote from: Stormanimagus on March 16, 2016, 06:39:41 pm
                      >Instead of tearing things down we should calmly explain our opinions.

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                      • wfain
                        wfain last edited by

                        Deep Analysis seems too good not to play, right?

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                        • nedleeds
                          nedleeds @wfain last edited by

                          @wfain said in Phoenix Brew:

                          Deep Analysis seems too good not to play, right?

                          and Collective Brutality

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                            Rat3dE last edited by

                            @nedleeds What about Ancient Grudge?

                            "Pitch Dredge is the worst thing to happen to Vintage this decade." - 2015 Vintage Champion Brian Kelly

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                            • wfain
                              wfain last edited by wfain

                              There was a thread for Bazaar control, by @YakuzaXRock I think. Perhaps some inspiration can be found there?

                              In fact, I think I’ll work on something this afternoon. I’m thinking Loam/Wasteland/Strip Mine all sound lovely. Ancient Grudge, Deep Analysis, maybe even Accumulated Knowledge...

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                                Rat3dE last edited by

                                @wfain You have to watch out though that you do not lean to heavily on your graveyard or you will risk having very tough post-sideboard games like Dredge.

                                "Pitch Dredge is the worst thing to happen to Vintage this decade." - 2015 Vintage Champion Brian Kelly

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                                  wfain @Rat3dE last edited by wfain

                                  @rat3de in my experience developing Survival, that’s not really true when you play normal cards. Phoenix, for example, is castable and is a decent clock. Wasteland/Strip Mine are fine cards and offer a quality plan even without using Loam. They just happen to work together.

                                  Edit: I lied, not working on this. Phoenix are over 50 tix. Not spending that much to brew rn.

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