Experimental Combo



  • I am not sure if people are just lumping this deck in with Paradoxical Outcome but I believe that there is something different going on here.

    This list is similar to a list I recently put together and I want help exploring this deck.

    Top 8 - Joe Gallego - Hot Coffee
    Maindeck:
    4 Forbidden Orchard
    4 Mishra's Workshop
    2 Spire of Industry
    1 Tolarian Academy
    1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    2 Aetherflux Reservoir
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Demonic Tutor
    4 Experimental Frenzy
    4 Grim Monolith
    4 Helm of Awakening
    1 Lion's Eye Diamond
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Mana Vault
    1 Memory Jar
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Mox Jet
    4 Mox Opal
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Mox Ruby
    1 Mox Sapphire
    4 Paradoxical Outcome
    4 Sensei's Divining Top
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Time Vault
    1 Time Walk
    1 Timetwister
    1 Tinker
    3 Voltaic Key
    1 Wheel of Fortune
    Sideboard:
    1 Blightsteel Colossus
    3 Karn, Scion of Urza
    2 Defense Grid
    2 Helm of Obedience
    4 Leyline of the Void
    3 Nature's Claim

    I think this could be a tier 1 or tier 2 deck with some work. I like how the deck plays and it is not so easy to disrupt if it is put together a bit differently.

    My version looks like this but is still a work in progress
    4 Mana Confluence
    4 Gemstone Mine
    2 Spire of Industry
    1 Tolarian Academy

    1 Black Lotus
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Mana Vault
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Mox Jet
    3 Mox Opal
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Mox Ruby
    1 Mox Sapphire
    1 Sol Ring

    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Time Vault
    1 Time Walk
    1 Timetwister
    1 Tinker
    1 Demonic Tutor
    1 Yawgmoth's Will
    1 Wheel of Fortune
    1 Memory Jar
    1 Gitaxian Probe
    1 Mind's Desire
    1 Ponder
    1 Brainstorm
    1 Monastery Mentor

    4 Experimental Frenzy
    4 Paradoxical Outcome
    1 Aetherflux Reservoir
    1 Tendril's of Agony

    3 Defense Grid
    2 Abrupt Decay
    2 Grim Monolith
    2 Sensei's Divining Top
    1 Paradox Engine
    1 Voltaic Key

    SB
    4 Assassin's Trophy
    3 Pyroblast
    3 Tormod's Crypt
    2 Kambal Consul of Allocation
    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    1 Blightsteel Colossus

    I like the idea of a 5 color Academy style deck. I think playing defense with Abrupt Decay and Assassin's Trophy will be the solid. Playing a sideboard that tilts into a controlish deck gives you a lot of versitility.



  • @moorebrother1 I was actually thinking that because of how explosive it is there is probably room in the metagame for a Doomsday version and a maybe a Lab Man version, especially if Oath, Top and Helm are in the build.



  • @moorebrother1 The deck looks neat. Using multicolor lands instead of basics could be advantageous since there's a lot of artifact mana. I like that there's a theme to the deck as well. I'm excited to try this out.

    @rat3de There might be a cool Doomsday deck in those ideas.

    I tried using PO with Doomsday (thanks to Gush restriction) but every iteration felt like regular PO storm with extra and unnecessary steps. Usually, by the time you could cast Doomsday, you could instead get a lot of storm and win. Using Doomsday also entails having cards in the main deck that don't synergize much with PO, like Dark Ritual. Four Mox Opals might be able to replace it though. One could even take the black splash further and add Mind Twist. I feel like Mind Twist could be amazing with both PO and Doomsday.

    Perhaps using Burning Wish like the Legacy build to reduce clutter in the main deck could be good. A light red splash could be beneficial in other ways, like allowing access to the usual red cards, and maybe even Blood Moon (since PO relies so much on artifact mana).



  • @Nower1990 I was thinking of foregoing PO in a build like actually. I think just ripping a bunch of mana and then finding either doomsday or helm + top and win with either labman or storm.



  • @rat3de I think the strength of PO in this deck is when Frenzy isn't present. But you could build a DD half of the deck that works without EF.



  • Hey what event was this in the t8 for? I see someone 5-0'd recently with it. I got the first 5-0 with it and I love the deck and the concept; the list you posted looks like my list a lot, especially the SB.

    Glad to see some more people trying it out and being interested in it. I do think it has a lot of legs but not exactly sure what to tweak. From my experience playing the Temporal Aperture version, Paradox Engine is either "I have to have this in play to win" or "Win More"; usually it was the former, making the combo hard to setup.



  • @cleverpseudonym I found that this list is from the LCV tournament. Sweet!



  • @spook said in Experimental Combo:

    @rat3de I think the strength of PO in this deck is when Frenzy isn't present. But you could build a DD half of the deck that works without EF.

    Wouldn't you just pick up the frenzy as well so there is no down side?


  • TMD Supporter

    The two cards (EF+PO) combo really works well together as the deploying of resources helps setting up the EF and then you can PO with all the producers on the table. You need to return EF to hand, otherwise you will not be able to play any of the returned/drawn cards aka Total Outome Fail XD



  • @wiley said in Experimental Combo:

    @spook said in Experimental Combo:

    @rat3de I think the strength of PO in this deck is when Frenzy isn't present. But you could build a DD half of the deck that works without EF.

    Wouldn't you just pick up the frenzy as well so there is no down side?

    They work really well together, but they also work well on their own.

    Building EF / DD, I don’t know if that is true.



  • I was hoping for discussion on how to make a better version of the deck. I like the 5 color concept because it offers so much flexibility and you avoid the trap of focusing only on blue and the fetch land interactions. Wasteland is less prominent so the 5 color lands should help in the long run.

    I want main deck Abrupt Decay to kill Stony Silence and Null Rod and Thalia. It also helps with Chalice of the Void and Trinisphere.

    Going with main deck Defense Grid makes it so that I do not need to play FOW in the deck. The deck rips through the pretty fast and it is consistent. The normal disruption against PO does not effect this deck as much at all. Thoughts?


 

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