Team Serious Open - 10/20/18 at the Kidforce Collectibles Berea, OH Results
-
We had 17 players come out to battle some Vintage. This meant 6 rounds of Swiss +1. Sue graciously donated an extra $100 to the prize pool so we had prizes go to Top 8. Standings after 6 rounds:
First place – Jerry Yang – Paradoxical Oath (5-1) 4 Forbidden Orchard 4 Mana Confluence 3 Gemstone Mine 1 Tolarian Academy 2 Mox Opal 1 Black Lotus 1 Chrome Mox 1 Grim Monolith 1 Lion's Eye Diamond 1 Lotus Petal 1 Mana Crypt 1 Mana Vault 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Sol Ring 4 Oath of Druids 4 Paradoxical Outcome 1 Griselbrand 1 Tendrils of Agony 4 Force of Will 2 Thoughtseize 1 Chain of Vapor 1 Defense Grid 1 Engineered Explosives 1 Expedition Map 1 Memory's Journey 1 Sensei's Divining Top 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Brainstorm 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Gitaxian Probe 1 Merchant Scroll 1 Mind's Desire 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Wheel of Fortune 1 Time Walk 1 Timetwister 1 Yawgmoth's Will Sideboard 3 Hurkyl's Recall 3 Mystic Remora 2 Ancient Tomb 2 Defense Grid 2 Duress 1 Blazing Archon 1 Echoing Truth 1 Mindbreak TrapSecond place – Nam Tran – Ravager Shops (5-1) 2 Hangarback Walker 4 Walking Ballista 4 Arcbound Ravager 4 Phyrexian Revoker 4 Steel Overseer 1 Chief of the Foundry 4 Foundry Inspector 1 Lodestone Golem 3 Phyrexian Metamorph 1 Black Lotus 1 Chalice of the Void 1 Mana Crypt 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Sol Ring 4 Sphere of Resistance 1 Thorn of Amethyst 1 Trinisphere 4 Ancient Tomb 4 Mishra's Factory 4 Mishra's Workshop 1 Strip Mine 1 Tolarian Academy 4 Wasteland Sideboard 2 Tormod's Crypt 4 Grafdigger's Cage 2 Null Rod 1 Sorcerous Spyglass 1 Dismember 4 Precursor Golem 1 Skysovereign, Consul FlagshipThird place – Jake Hilty – B/W Hate Bears (4-2) 4 Cavern of Souls 4 Marsh Flats 1 Windswept Heath 1 Verdant Catacombs 3 Scrubland 1 Savannah 1 Plains 1 Swamp 1 Karakas 1 Strip Mine 2 Wasteland 1 Black Lotus 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Jet 3 Stony Silence 4 Dark Confidant 4 Deathrite Shaman 4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 3 Spirit of the Labyrinth 3 Phyrexian Revoker 3 Kambal, Consul of Allocation 2 Containment Priest 3 Orim's Chant 3 Swords to Plowshares 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Demonic Consultation Sideboard 3 Fragmentize 1 Containment Priest 2 Grafdigger's Cage 2 Rest in Peace 2 Kataki, War's Wage 1 Sanctum Prelate 1 Stony Silence 3 Infernal ReckoningFourth place – Anthony Michaels – Mono Black Stax (4-2) 3 Smokestack 3 Crucible of Worlds 4 Sphere of Resistance 1 Thorn of Amethyst 1 Trinisphere 4 Tangle Wire 1 Chalice of the Void 1 Trinisphere 2 Null Rod 1 Black Lotus 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mana Crypt 1 Sol Ring 1 Chains of Mephistopheles 1 Surgical Extraction 4 Dark Confidant 4 Pain Seer 3 Phyrexian Revoker 3 Braids, Cabal Minion 4 Mishra's Workshop 4 Wasteland 1 Strip Mine 1 Cabal Pit 3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth 4 Swamp Sideboard 4 Mesmeric Fiend 2 Helm of Obedience 4 Leyline of the Void 4 Grafdigger's Cage 1 Null RodFifth place – Steven McGrew – 4C Paradoxical Outcome (4-2) 2 Dack Fayden 1 Yawgmoth's Will 1 Monastery Mentor 2 Snapcaster Mage 1 Repeal 1 Hurkyl's Recall 3 Mental Misstep 4 Force of Will 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Dig Through Time 1 Treasure Cruise 4 Paradoxical Outcome 2 Night's Whisper 1 Time Walk 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Ponder 1 Brainstorm 2 Sensei's Divining Top 1 Mana Crypt 1 Sol Ring 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Emerald 1 Black Lotus 3 Mox Opal 1 Blightsteel Colossus 1 Time Vault 1 Voltaic Key 1 Tinker 1 Mana Vault 1 Tolarian Academy 1 Island 2 Tundra 2 Volcanic Island 2 Underground Sea 1 Misty Rainforest 1 Scalding Tarn 1 Polluted Delta 2 Flooded Strand 1 Library of Alexandria Sideboard 4 Leyline of the Void 1 Tormod's Crypt 2 Containment Priest 1 Balance 2 Hurkyl's Recall 1 Fragmentize 2 Kambal, Consul of Allocation 2 PyroblastSixth place – Nathaniel Moes – RUG Tidespout Tyrant Oath (4-2) 4 Forbidden Orchard 2 Island 4 Scalding Tarn 1 Misty Rainforest 2 Tropical Island 3 Volcanic Island 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mana Crypt 1 Lotus Petal 1 Black Lotus 4 Oath of Druids 2 Tidespout Tyrant 2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor 1 Dack Fayden 1 Brain Freeze 1 Time Vault 1 Voltaic Key 4 Force of Will 2 Mental Misstep 1 Flusterstorm 1 Spell Pierce 1 Misdirection 1 Steel Sabotage 1 Ancient Grudge 4 Preordain 1 Brainstorm 1 Deep Analysis 1 Memory's Journey 1 Dig Through Time 1 Treasure Cruise 1 Ponder 1 Gush 1 Merchant Scroll 1 Flash of Insight 1 Time Walk 1 Ancestral Recall Sideboard 1 Mountain 1 Ancient Grudge 1 Red Elemental Blast 2 Hurkyl's Recall 2 Abrade 2 Tormod's Crypt 2 Ravenous Trap 2 Mindbreak Trap 2 Pithing NeedleSeventh place – Frank Singel – Lands (4-2) 2 Bayou 4 Bazaar of Baghdad 1 Bojuka Bog 3 Dark Depths 1 Forest 2 Ghost Quarter 1 Glacial Chasm 1 Karakas 1 Maze of Ith 1 Misty Rainforest 3 Riftstone Portal 1 Savannah 1 Strip Mine 1 Taiga 2 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale 4 Thespian's Stage 1 Verdant Catacombs 4 Wasteland 1 Wooded Foothills 3 Ancient Grudge 1 Chalice of the Void 2 Crop Rotation 4 Exploration 1 Fastbond 4 Life from the Loam 2 Manabond 2 Mental Misstep 1 Mox Diamond 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 3 Null Rod Sideboard 4 Assassin's Trophy 1 Crop Rotation 4 Dark Confidant 2 Grafdigger's Cage 2 Nature's Claim 2 Stony SilenceEighth place – David Lance – Bant Survival (3-3) 4 Bazaar of Baghdad 1 Forest 2 Misty Rainforest 3 Savannah 2 Tropical Island 2 Verdant Catacombs 2 Windswept Heath 2 Wooded Foothills 1 Black Lotus 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Thorn of Amethyst 4 Basking Rootwalla 2 Elvish Spirit Guide 4 Hollow One 1 Hooting Mandrills 1 Manglehorn 4 Noble Hierarch 1 Spell Queller 3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 4 Vengevine 1 Wonder 1 Squee, Goblin Nabob 3 Stony Silence 4 Survival of the Fittest 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Time Walk Sideboard 2 Squee, Goblin Nabob 1 Stony Silence 1 Chalice of the Void 2 Grafdigger's Cage 1 Null Rod 4 Containment Priest 1 Fairgrounds Warden 1 Kataki, War's Wage 1 Wispmare 1 Energy FluxMetagame breakdown:
Blue decks
- 4C Paradoxical Outcome
- Esper PO
- (3) Paradoxical Oath
- RUG Tidespout Tyrant Oath
- U/W/R Landstill
- Jeskai Mentor
Shops Decks
- Ravager Shops
- Mono Black Stax
Misc
- B/W Hate Bears
- Lands
- White Eldrazi
- Dragon
- Waste Not Combo
- Krark’s Thumb\Mana Clash.dec
- Bant Survival
Thanks to everyone that came out! Hope to see you at the next TSO!
-
Finally a hatebear deck I think is well build (although it does look very soft to Shops). I love the Orim's Chant's. I will definitely have to try those out.
-
Yeah that was me! I changed in those chants right before the tournament from Mental Missteps which hadn't been doing work. Having a turn 1 play when you don't have acceleration to get to impactful 2-drops seemed nice. It also is pretty funny in response to outcome or will.
You are right about the softness to shops, I don't know how to solve that problem other than to totally rethink the sideboard, I don't think 1-for-1s is the answer but I am not entirely sure what a good answer is, any thoughts would be welcome.
Oh I also realized late that this sideboard is off by a card I had -1 Kataki +1 Sanctum prelate, cause I couldn't find my 3rd kataki before the tournament, I found the prelate to be good.
-
Is Jerry Yang really out of retirement and playing games again?
-
He is playing, but he doesn't have cards anymore. He is just playing his 100% proxy deck, since he started doing that (I think 3 tournaments?) he has lost a total of 2 matches. He is on a crazy tear.
-
@garbageaggro said in Team Serious Open - 10/20/18 at the Kidforce Collectibles Berea, OH Results:
Yeah that was me! I changed in those chants right before the tournament from Mental Missteps which hadn't been doing work. Having a turn 1 play when you don't have acceleration to get to impactful 2-drops seemed nice. It also is pretty funny in response to outcome or will.
You are right about the softness to shops, I don't know how to solve that problem other than to totally rethink the sideboard, I don't think 1-for-1s is the answer but I am not entirely sure what a good answer is, any thoughts would be welcome.
Oh I also realized late that this sideboard is off by a card I had -1 Kataki +1 Sanctum prelate, cause I couldn't find my 3rd kataki before the tournament, I found the prelate to be good.
Yeah that were my thoughts as well. It acts like a pseudo Time Walk allowing you to play less acceleration (although I see you played all the moxen anyway - did you ever find that between 5 moxen and 4 Deathrite you were playing too much acceleration?). What I also like is that it seems decent against Shops as well, and the kicker shouldn't be underestimated in that matchup.
I've found the Shops matchup to be hard no matter what you do, but I agree that 1-for-1's aren't enough - but it's needed anyway. Currently my anti-Shops plan is 2 Kataki (main deck), 4 Swords (2 main, 2 board), 2 Nature's Claim, 1 Devout Witness (just something I'm trying out at the moment) and 4 Serenity (along with 2 Thalia 2.0 and 3 Wastelands main deck).
Serenity is very good and can get you out of situations no other cards can, but it still needs some other cards alongside it. Thalia 2.0 isn't very good vs PO but it still has some value, and I've found it to be one of the few cards that's good in almost all matchups (it's great vs Dredge, BUG and Landstill for instance), and it's really good vs Shops - especially with a Stony Silence in play. I think you want to play something like 10 sideboard cards to bring in against Shops.
If you were to go that route, I'd recommend cutting the Revokers. I do like Revoker for it's versatility and as a solution to Jace (which is hugely problematic for a deck like this), but Jace isn't played that much currently.
Sanctum Prelate is one of my pet cards, and I think it's very underrated, but it's also a bit slow vs Paradoxical Outcome.
-
My problem with cutting revoker and also with 4 serenity (which i was thinking about a bit) is that walking ballista is SO GOOD against us. Now maybe serenity is good enough that i don't mind if they draw ballista after I wipe their board and my revoker/stony.
As for prelate, I agree that it is a bit slow, but I think if we can slow down the game with our other stuff, it locks out the game which is quite pleasant. Interestingly I sided it in against everything i played that wasn't shops. Naming 2 against oath seems VERY good. It wouldn't come in against Dredge probably, but overall I was happy with it as a one-of.
I have actually played Devout Witness in the past and I was considering a different spellshaper actually in the form of [[Hammer Mage]]. I will test out serenity, and I also had a crazy thought involving ancient tombs and [[Settle the Wreckage]] that might be crazy.
I really liked this list against everything that wasn't shops. My only other loss on the day was a close match against jerry yang's paradoxical oath which turned 1'd me in game 3, I want to chalk that up to just getting vintaged. Our games were super interesting. In game 1 if I had a chant in hand I would have beat him when he oath'd his whole deck and had to memory's journey to be able to win with will, had I had the chant (or consultation) I could have blown him out in response to will with 0 cards in library.
-
Added Twaun's decklist and fixed Jake's.
-
@garbageaggro said in Team Serious Open - 10/20/18 at the Kidforce Collectibles Berea, OH Results:
My problem with cutting revoker and also with 4 serenity (which i was thinking about a bit) is that walking ballista is SO GOOD against us. Now maybe serenity is good enough that i don't mind if they draw ballista after I wipe their board and my revoker/stony.
As for prelate, I agree that it is a bit slow, but I think if we can slow down the game with our other stuff, it locks out the game which is quite pleasant. Interestingly I sided it in against everything i played that wasn't shops. Naming 2 against oath seems VERY good. It wouldn't come in against Dredge probably, but overall I was happy with it as a one-of.
I have actually played Devout Witness in the past and I was considering a different spellshaper actually in the form of [[Hammer Mage]]. I will test out serenity, and I also had a crazy thought involving ancient tombs and [[Settle the Wreckage]] that might be crazy.
I really liked this list against everything that wasn't shops. My only other loss on the day was a close match against jerry yang's paradoxical oath which turned 1'd me in game 3, I want to chalk that up to just getting vintaged. Our games were super interesting. In game 1 if I had a chant in hand I would have beat him when he oath'd his whole deck and had to memory's journey to be able to win with will, had I had the chant (or consultation) I could have blown him out in response to will with 0 cards in library.
I definitely agree with you on Revoker. It's one of those few coveted cards that are good in a lot of matchups, and I'm not really happy to be cutting it from my lists, but the disapperance of Jace from the metagame (more or less) makes it a little better.
Yeah, Prelate is very good vs Oath and (and Jeskai and exceptional against Landstill). Glad to see someone else play it!
Hammer Mage does seem interesting. In fact, if you really want to beat Shops, adding red is probably the way to go. I've had the most succes against Shops playing Red/White with Ancient Tombs and By Forces and Meltdowns.
-
@nartman99
Any chance you might have the Landstill and Dragon lists? Thank you in advance
-
I bet we can get the dragon list pretty easily. @korak, any help?
-
Yeah I asked Patrick and Matt for their lists yesterday but haven't heard from them. I think Matt picked up Assassin's Trophies at the store and Patrick played U/W/R Landstill because he comfortably played U/W Landstill last time but I believe he said the deck was not where he wanted it to be.
-
Who can help me get in contact with twaun?
-
@fisken said in Team Serious Open - 10/20/18 at the Kidforce Collectibles Berea, OH Results:
Who can help me get in contact with twaun?
good luck with that, he's pretty difficult to get in touch with.
-
What’s up?
