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      nungnum last edited by Brass Man

      Hello TMD
      One card that I think is sorely underplayed in vintage is mind twist. When this card was the scourge of all formats it was combined with mana drain to demolish your opponents hand. It is said that it mind twist resolves you often loose on the spot. So, onto the list!

      This is something that I threw together quickly as a brain fart, unfortunately I'm away from my computer this weekend and unable to test it at all online.

      Spells
      1 Ancestral Recall
      1 Brainstorm
      1 Demonic Tutor
      1 Dig Through Time
      4 Duress
      3 Fatal Push
      2 Flusterstorm
      4 Force of Will
      3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
      4 Mana Drain
      4 Mental Misstep
      3 Mind Twist
      1 Mindbreak Trap
      2 Mission Briefing
      1 Necropotence
      1 Time Walk
      1 Treasure Cruise
      
      Mana
      1 Black Lotus
      2 Flooded Strand
      2 Island
      1 Library of Alexandria
      2 Misty Rainforest
      1 Mox Jet
      1 Mox Sapphire
      4 Polluted Delta
      2 Scalding Tarn
      1 Sol Ring
      1 Strip Mine
      1 Swamp
      4 Underground Sea
      

      This version is very control heavy, with Jace as the only win condition and a ton of interaction. What does TMD think of my terrible brew?

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        Serracollector last edited by

        I think it needs repeals/hurkylls recall/echoing truth, but I like it.

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        • wfain
          wfain @nungnum last edited by

          @nungnum I think if you want to rely on discard to do heavy lifting you should play either Notion Thief or Leo to keep people from refilling.

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          • PeAcH
            PeAcH TMD Supporter last edited by

            There used to be a moderatelly succesful UB Mind Twist deck called: Jedi Mind Twist.
            It played with 4 Dark Confidants 🙂

            @peachmtg

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            • Brass Man
              Brass Man last edited by Brass Man

              I don't hate the idea of [[Mind Twist]], but I wonder if you're too optimistic what the card can do without support. This deck looks very capable of winning a fight on the stack, but it might have some trouble dealing with cards that make it to the board.

              3 [[Fatal Push]] being your only way to interact with the board feels very risky. For instance, if your opponent plays a turn one or two [[Young Pyromancer]], before you have a [[Mana Drain]] wall up, even with a [[Fatal Push]] in hand you could be in real trouble. If they get even a small number of Elemental tokens in play, your deck can't really kill them, and [[Jace, the Mind Sculptor]] becomes quite bad. A single [[Monastery Mentor]] would be a real problem, or any Workshop hand where they play 2 or 3 creatures in the beginning of the game (and that's an extremely common opening for Workshops)

              This doesn't mean that the deck is a dead end, but I do think you'd be rewarded for running either more removal, or more threats that match up better against the cards which are already good against your discard ... maybe [[Tinker]]+[[Blightsteel Colossus]], maybe [[Tasigur, the Golden Fang]], or even just planeswalkers that have more of an impact on the board ... maybe a [[Karn, Scion of Urza]] or [[Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas]], but both of those are better with more artifacts. If you're up for splashing a color, red and white planeswalkers are particularly good at closing out the game even if your opponent has threats in play, and of course [[Monastery Mentor]] fills this role admirably.

              As an aside I'll say that it's very non-traditional for a Vintage deck this controlling to run [[Necropotence]], but the same could be said for [[Timetwister]] which is a pet card of mine in Vintage control, so I don't know that I think Necro is necessarily wrong. If you want to keep it, it may be worth running more cards to be sure you don't get locked out with no draw step ... whether that's [[Tendrils of Agony]] or more planeswalkers or [[Paradoxical Outcome]] or something else entirely, I'm not sure.

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                Spacebalzz last edited by

                Not a terrible idea at all...

                4 Duress
                4 Polluted Delta
                4 Force of Will
                4 Mana Drain
                4 Dark Confidant
                4 Brainstorm
                3 Repeal
                3 Mind Twist
                3 Underground Sea
                3 Island
                2 Volcanic Island
                1 Tolarian Academy
                1 Ancestral Recall
                1 Platinum Angel
                1 Sol Ring
                1 Black Lotus
                1 Tinker
                1 Mana Crypt
                1 Flooded Strand
                1 Library of Alexandria
                1 Swamp
                1 Mox Emerald
                1 Mox Jet
                1 Mox Pearl
                1 Mox Ruby
                1 Mox Sapphire
                1 Demonic Tutor
                1 Vampiric Tutor
                1 Mystical Tutor
                1 Rebuild
                1 Time Walk
                1 Yawgmoth's Will
                1 Empty the Warrens
                Sideboard
                3 Pithing Needle
                3 Yixlid Jailer
                3 Rack and Ruin
                2 Black Knight
                2 Pyroblast
                1 Darkblast
                1 Red Elemental Blast

                This is the Jedi Mind Twist deck from LCV right after MT was unrestricted in ‘07. Pretty outdated (Platinum Angel, 4x Brainstorm), but a good reference point.

                +Blightsteel, Key Vault, adjust the cantrips a bit and baby you got a stew going!

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                  nungnum last edited by

                  Thanks everyone for the feedback! I decided that adding more artifacts and white for mentor + swords would be worth playing, I will add some results after testing

                  Mainboard

                  1x Ancestral Recall
                  1x Black Lotus
                  1x Blightsteel Colossus
                  1x Brainstorm
                  1x Demonic Tutor
                  1x Dig Through Time
                  2x Flooded Strand
                  1x Flusterstorm
                  4x Force of Will
                  2x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
                  1x Karn, Scion of Urza
                  1x Library of Alexandria
                  1x Mana Crypt
                  4x Mana Drain (LEG)
                  4x Mental Misstep
                  3x Mind Twist
                  2x Mission Briefing
                  2x Misty Rainforest
                  1x Monastery Mentor
                  1x Mox Jet
                  1x Mox Opal
                  1x Mox Pearl
                  1x Mox Sapphire
                  1x Mystical Tutor
                  1x Paradoxical Outcome
                  3x Polluted Delta
                  2x Scalding Tarn
                  1x Seat of the Synod
                  1x Sol Ring
                  1x Strip Mine
                  1x Supreme Verdict
                  3x Swords to Plowshares
                  1x Tendrils of Agony
                  1x Time Walk
                  1x Tinker
                  1x Treasure Cruise
                  2x Tundra
                  2x Underground Sea

                  Sideboard

                  2x Chain of Vapor
                  4x Hurkyl's Recall
                  4x Leyline of the Void
                  2x Mindbreak Trap
                  2x Supreme Verdict
                  1x Swords to Plowshares

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