Brass Man last edited by
Here's a cute data point, for what it's worth. I spent most of the day today testing some Battlebond tech @Aelien . We weren't explicitly trying to react to this thread, but our results are probably relevant to the discussion
I was playing a controlly Grixis deck with 4 [[Mental Misstep]] and a [[Mind Twist]]
Aelien was playing a stormy deck with 7 [[Duress]]/[[Thoughtseize]] effects.
The [[Mind Twist]] was very good for me, and the [[Duress]] effects were very good for Aelien. At no point were either of us sad to be running those cards. I think these cards are still quite good against Combo, reasonably good against Slow Control, fine against Tempo Control, and bad against Workshops and Dredge. I think what one does with a [[Duress]] is so different than what one does with a [[Mind Twist]] that you have very different requirements for wanting them, and I think what one does with [[Hymn to Tourach]] is just something no Vintage deck wants.
Ultimately I think if you're just looking at playing one of Ravager Shops/Jeskai Mentor/Esper Outcome/Inferno Oath/Dredge, in a field that consists mostly of Ravager Shops/Jeskai Mentor/Esper Outcome/Inferno Oath/Dredge, discard effects just aren't the best option over alternatives (with the exception of [[Cabal Therapy]], possibly [[Unmask]] out of Dredge decks). That's going to include most players in most metagames ... but I do think there are reasonable decks outside that list, and reasonable metagames that diverge from that list, in which [[Duress]]/[[Thoughtseize]]/[[Mind Twist]] are good choices. [[Hymn to Tourach]], I think, won't make the cut in anything reasonable, and I can't think of any other discard effects that are particularly notable.