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    • John Cox
      John Cox last edited by John Cox

      I'm thinking of making a R/G hatebears list (null rod aggro) and could use some ideas of creatures to try,

      Here is what I have,

      [[Eidolon of the Great Revel]]
      [[Hammer Mage]]
      [[Ambush Viper]]
      [[Thornweald Archer]]
      [[Harsh Mentor]]
      [[Phyrexian Metamorph]]
      [[Phyrexian Revoker]]
      [[Stingscourger]]
      [[Tin-street Hooligan]]
      [[Dryad Militant]]
      [[Deathrite Shaman]]
      [[Scavenging Ooze]]
      [[Dosan the Falling Leaf]]
      [[Ramunap Excavator]]
      [[Torch Fiend]]
      [[Mogg Fanatic]]
      [[Gorilla Shaman]]
      [[Goblin Welder]]
      [[Viashino Heretic]]
      [[Goblin Vandal]]
      [[Ichneumon Druid]]
      [[Bedlam Reveler]]

      Anyone know of hatebears or R/G disruption creatures not on that list.

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      Added to list

      [[Prophetic flamespeaker]]
      [[Sulfur elemental]]
      [[avalanche riders]]
      [[simian spirit guide]]
      [[elvish spirit guide]]
      [[thrun the last troll]]
      [[magus of the moon]]
      [[reclamation sage]]
      [[manglehorn]]
      [[jaya ballard, task mage]]

      [[Scab-Clan Berserker]]
      [[grim lavamancer]]
      [[kitchen Finks]]
      [[Fulminator mage]]

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        andregal last edited by andregal

        Prophetic Flamespeaker, Sulfur Elemental, Avalanche Riders, SSG, ESG, Thrun the Last Troll, Magus of the Moon, Reclamation Sage, Manglehorn, and maybe Jaya Ballard, Task Mage?

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        • John Cox
          John Cox last edited by John Cox

          @andregal Thanks

          I also thought of [[Grim Lavamancer]] [[ scab-clan berserker]] and (maybe) [[Kitchen Finks]] and [[Fulminator Mage]] last night.

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          • wfain
            wfain last edited by wfain

            I suspect Ramunap Excavator plays alongside Waste/Strip and your Null Rods. That’s probably where I’d start.
            Maybe go down that route with DRS, Ancient Grudge, perhaps Fastbond, Scab-Clan, Harsh Mentor?

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              ribby last edited by

              R/G, a fine color combination. What’s pulling you towards this? OP specifically mentioned Null Rod aggro. The only noteworthy synergy I can think of with R/G is Spirit Guide acceleration.

              Is that the direction you’re taking this? It would be helpful to know if so (so that the suggestions can be tailored to synergise with Guides, or compensate for the inherent card disadvantage you suffer) or if not (so that other suggestions can be made).

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              • Chronatog
                Chronatog last edited by

                Martyr of Ashes
                Melira, Sylvok Outcast
                Soldier of Fortune

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                  Dr. J @Chronatog last edited by

                  @chronatog Soldier of Fortune? The ol' shuffle-your-opponent's-deck-until-they-quit strategy?

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                  • Stuart
                    Stuart last edited by

                    Orcish Lumberjack!

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                    • Chronatog
                      Chronatog @Dr. J last edited by

                      @dr-j said in R/G hatebears (deck in Progress):

                      @chronatog Soldier of Fortune? The ol' shuffle-your-opponent's-deck-until-they-quit strategy?

                      If you decide so. And if you do, perhaps you can combine it with Cosi's Trickster :), but this is a different color and off-topic here.

                      I would use Soldier of Fortune to make games against library manipulation decks a bit more fair.

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                      • John Cox
                        John Cox @ribby last edited by

                        @ribby
                        I want to build a hatebear deck that uses spirit guides. Null rod is strong here, and magus of the moon/blood moon could be auto wins if they come down early. As far as where to go from there, I'm evaluating my options.

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                        • John Cox
                          John Cox @Chronatog last edited by John Cox

                          @chronatog
                          I really like [[soldier of fortune]] , for a few reasons, if your using sylvan library its amazing. Also most decks these days are using some form of library manipulation; Sensei top, sylvan, braisnstorm, ponder, preordain, jace etc. I also think that being a dude is an asset, since he won't always be useful (against shops/dredge) so having a body is a good thing there.
                          I have ordered a playset. Thanks for the idea.

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                          • Chronatog
                            Chronatog @John Cox last edited by

                            @john-cox said in R/G hatebears (deck in Progress):

                            I really like [[soldier of fortune]] , for a few reasons, if your using sylvan library its amazing. Also most decks these days are using some form of library manipulation; Sensei top, sylvan, braisnstorm, ponder, preordain, jace etc. I also think that being a dude is an asset, since he won't always be useful (against shops/dredge) so having a body is a good thing there.
                            I have ordered a playset. Thanks for the idea.

                            Glad that you found it useful. [[Soldier of Fortune]] is less functional than [[Deathrite Shaman]], for example, but he has an interesting ability. With all this group thinking and interbreeding sometimes an unexpected obscure old card can help to win a game or two 🙂

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                            • John Cox
                              John Cox last edited by

                              @here

                              So the core of what I see that might work could be,

                              4 harsh mentor
                              4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
                              4 Scab-Clan Berserker
                              4 null rod
                              4 elvish spirit guide
                              4 simian spirit guide
                              4 magus of the moon
                              4 lightning bolt
                              2 ramunap excavator
                              18 ish land
                              4 meta slots

                              or

                              4 null rod
                              4 simian spirit guide
                              4 elvish spirit guide
                              4 magus of the moon
                              4 stingscourger
                              4 tin street hooligan
                              4 lightning bolt
                              4 deathrite shaman
                              4 dryad militand
                              2 ramunap excavator
                              18ish land
                              4 meta slots

                              any suggestions on which to test first?

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                                GutoCmtt last edited by

                                Looks like green is pretty expensable and the decklist leaned towards the red hatebears deck, which is kind of a natural course for this kind of deck IMO. I'd recommend to cut green entirely and play blood moon. It's really an insane card in vintage. It stops bazaar, blue decks usually play only 1 basic land (which won't do much on it's own without moxen), against shops it can slow down and hit the factories. It was always awful for me when people played blood moon against me in vintage, when playing BUG, URw and also with survival.

                                Chalice sounds great here, playing it for 0 on the play to prevent mana acceleration or for 1 against blue decks on the draw. And cavern of souls to prevent FoW on the hatebears sounds pretty legit too.

                                Also, I'd play at least black lotus for potential of an explosive turn 1. It can be awkward to draw it later in the game with null rod, which is the reason I wouldn't recommend moxen in general, but a turn 1 moon, or scab-clan, or eidolon + null rod, sounds pretty bad for vintage decks to deal with.

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                                  YakuzaXRock last edited by

                                  https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1226275#paper

                                  inspiration

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