@hierarchnoble that’s me! I’ve really enjoy playing it. Have since changed Wheel of Fortune to Sylvan Library.
Nice, and GGs again! I'm going to try to make time to stream this sometime soon, the deck is hilarious, powerful, and a breath of fresh air. Do you have any tips for people playing this that might not be completely obvious at first glance?
@hierarchnoble honestly I’m not sure how to verbalize them ️ The range of keeps is somehow higher and lower than you might expect. Sometimes Survival is all you want to do, sometimes Bazaar is your plan, and others you just cast some Rootwallas and attack a bunch while they play Preordains. Sideboarding is difficult sometimes- I usually cut a Vengevine and a Hollow One until I know what their plan of hate is going to be (Faithless Looting and DRS are others that can be shaved if you expect Leyline or RiP)
I’ll think about it some and maybe try to write up some tips. But for sure practice with it before you take it into a league, it isn’t always easy to figure out what you’re supposed to be doing!
@wfain Any Chance of recording some gameplay? I tried picking up the deck but mulligans and sideboarding are hard as hell.
That being said this deck is exactly what I imagined as a survival deck in vintage soon as hollowone spoiled so thank you for figuring out a list.
Edit: What are your thoughts on a single memnite to enable low mana vengevine plays?
@bleedth3sky I hadn’t consider memnite, could let us make vine off 1 forest. I’ll try one out! Great idea!
I’m also gonna mess around with Bomat Courier instead of Faithless Looting for a few practice games just for fun.
Sideboarding can be tricky. Usually shave a Vengevine and a Hollow One until you know which hate to play around. You don’t need Wonder vs anything but Dredge, maybe Shops, and Young Pyromancer decks. I’ll often cut Vamp Tutor against counterspell decks. Forest can go out if your opponent doesn’t have Wasteland.
I can’t record anything, no. Best I can do is some screen shots. I’ll try to post some tomorrow.
@wfain I've been messing around with your list minus Libraryand 1 Dork and am trying running impactful 3-drops to follow up a countered survival. The only two I really found were Dack who plays great with all the creatures and Leovold as a straight hatebear against Bargain storm and PO decks which are very hard to win vs if we don't explode.
Shops tho no matter what seems unwinnable. Kataki helps but fetching for white then drawing looting sucks and ballista makes sure birds are never around. Ingot chewer isn't good enough when they board into an aggro plan and flood the board so maybe try and jam energy flux's like landstill with ingot chewers to clear spheres? Or is EoT Hurkyls and try and play like storm the plan?
Teeg also seems really bad vs PO decks as they just go turbo tinker mode and win with blightsteel which teeg doesn't stop.
@oestrus I like them all tho have never cast Time walk in the deck yet. I personally run 3 street wraiths instead of his bomats and memnite since I just dont have bomats. You could go for a grindy build with 4 returning squee 4 bazaar and 4x bloodghasts take after modern hollowvine on crack with bazaar? Probably go heavier in black and run some Gurmags then too and a leovold main.
I've seen a lot of this deck in Vintage Leagues lately - four times in my last three leagues.
Some things others are doing:
- More Bazaars, fewer one-of creatures. Going all-in on Rootwalla/Vengevine
- Not splashing blue, adding things like crop rotation instead
- Playing mental misstep main to get away from some hate
Not sure if any of those are correct, but thought it might expand the discussion.