4. Old School?
Old School?

Do you guys know where people go to discuss Old School 93/94 decks etc? NY Old School site points here, but there's nothing here anymore. I wonder if Old School has any hub equivalent of TMD, even on Facebook.

I have my own 5C control builded but would like to discuss decks/format...

-Jyri-

I had requested a sub-forum on 93/94 in this thread. Please upvote!

http://www.themanadrain.com/topic/37/old-school-93-94-sub-forum

@Hrishi Just did! 🙂
But I wonder if there's a place people already go to talk about it.

@fsecco I haven't really found a place. I tried looking a little while ago as well!

I don't know about a forum to discuss, but there are lots of websites with lots of great content.

Most most active plays is the 93/94 blog here.

Eternal Central also has a bunch of content here.

And I have an article series here.

There are also a bunch of Facebook groups that you can join.

But I'd +1 having an old school sub forum here.

@Smmenen I'm in all of those, Steve, and I love all the content. But I guess it's time we have a subforum here then! 🙂
+1 to that too

Second this, an old school sub-forum would be awesome. Also, has anyone else expanded to 95 yet? While I love the nostalgia of 93-94, the game play is fantastic in 95.

Is there a FB group for 93/94 in the Northeast? I searched on FB but didn't see anything. I'd be interested in starting one up if none already exist!

@enderfall There is one called "New York Old School MTG".

http://www.reddit.com/r/oldschoolmtg is the subreddit for Old School Magic. Not super active but people who follow the format from various different geographies are represented there.

@eliotd I hate Reddit, I think it's such a mess... But thanks! 🙂

I have a bunch of facebook groups linked on my thread on MTG salvation. Many of the facebook groups are full of people trying to move old school cards, but I know I would appreciate more discussion of the format in the groups I follow and the one I admin.

@Lysandros said:

Second this, an old school sub-forum would be awesome. Also, has anyone else expanded to 95 yet? While I love the nostalgia of 93-94, the game play is fantastic in 95.

Eternal Central has a banned list for 95, but I don't see as much discussion about it anywhere. edit: there a new Facebook group for this as well called "Magic 95-96 (Not as old-school as old-school)".

Here are the links and resources I've compiled. If you know any I'm missing please let me know:

Talk about Old School Magic on Facebook:

Buy and sell Old School on Facebook

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Channel Fireball is trying to jump into the format by creating their own banned list and legal sets list. They're allowing both Fallen Empires and the book promos.

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/new-format-old-school/?fb_comment_id=fbc_935225053265499_935247983263206_935247983263206#fc5a753cc598e4

You can now pre-register for Eternal Central's next old school event.
http://www.eternalcentral.com/eternalweekend2016oldschool/

I thought these were both interesting enough to justify a bump.

Also, it has it's own thread, but there was a nice write up on the history of the deck.
http://themanadrain.com/topic/241/free-article-a-complete-history-of-the-deck-1994-2016/2

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@Gumgod said:

Channel Fireball is trying to jump into the format by creating their own banned list and legal sets list. They're allowing both Fallen Empires and the book promos.

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/new-format-old-school/?fb_comment_id=fbc_935225053265499_935247983263206_935247983263206#fc5a753cc598e4

Also there's this:

http://www.eternalcentral.com/eternalweekend2016oldschool/

I thought these were both interesting enough to justify a bump.

Also, it has it's own thread, but there was a nice write up on the history of the deck.
http://themanadrain.com/topic/241/free-article-a-complete-history-of-the-deck-1994-2016/2

Collectors edition not allowed? That's pretty short-sighted for a company trying to sell product. They have a chance to create a whole new demand on stagnant cards (especially if they promote the format), not to mention make the format more accessible.

Was disappointed to see this. A major retailer pushing the format could make it huge (which might be the opposite of what old school players want), but leaving off CE is a mistake. Old School singles are already creeping into the stratosphere, and many decks being way more expensive than vintage. Juzams, Ehrnam, Serendib, thunder spirit have all spiked hard. No reason to put extra pressure on core set items too.

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Was disappointed to see this. A major retailer pushing the format could make it huge (which might be the opposite of what old school players want), but leaving off CE is a mistake. Old School singles are already creeping into the stratosphere, and many decks being way more expensive than vintage. Juzams, Ehrnam, Serendib, thunder spirit have all spiked hard. No reason to put extra pressure on core set items too.

Could not agree more. As someone trying to save to get into the format on as much of a budget as possible, it's been challenging watching the "budget" cards increase in price. Even beta basic lands have seen an uptick, and stuff like Beta Lanowar Elves, Kird Apes and the like are both harder to find and more expensive then anticipated.

There are definitely some questionable choices there, but at least they are allowing reprints which use the original art, so if you need a budget option, Chronicles City of Brass or Revised Island are both playable, even if they aren't pretty. FBB is also an option provided it has the correct art and frame on it. Budget is also an issue for me. Personally I traded all my Beta basics, and I'm using Unlimited Basics in my old school brews now. I'm also probably not going to pick up the other three Triskelions at current AQ prices, but might settle for some reprinted ones.

It's also worth pointing out that they are playing with mana burn rules, which makes cards like Su-Chi and Mana Drain have a potential drawback again.

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@joshuabrooks said:

@Gumgod said:

Channel Fireball is trying to jump into the format by creating their own banned list and legal sets list. They're allowing both Fallen Empires and the book promos.

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/new-format-old-school/?fb_comment_id=fbc_935225053265499_935247983263206_935247983263206#fc5a753cc598e4

Also there's this:

http://www.eternalcentral.com/eternalweekend2016oldschool/

I thought these were both interesting enough to justify a bump.

Also, it has it's own thread, but there was a nice write up on the history of the deck.
http://themanadrain.com/topic/241/free-article-a-complete-history-of-the-deck-1994-2016/2

Collectors edition not allowed? That's pretty short-sighted for a company trying to sell product. They have a chance to create a whole new demand on stagnant cards (especially if they promote the format), not to mention make the format more accessible.

Was disappointed to see this. A major retailer pushing the format could make it huge (which might be the opposite of what old school players want), but leaving off CE is a mistake. Old School singles are already creeping into the stratosphere, and many decks being way more expensive than vintage. Juzams, Ehrnam, Serendib, thunder spirit have all spiked hard. No reason to put extra pressure on core set items too.

I think the issue with CE and ICE is that they were never intended to be used in competitive play. With ChannelFireball hosting this event in conjunction with a Grand Prix, I think cards that were not intended for competitive play fall into the same boat as proxies/play test cards and so they get the axe.

Between UL and Revised, and in some cases 4th edition printings of cards, it doesn't have to hurt too much. Your deck won't look as sweet, of course, but you'd have one at least.

Of the efreets you mention though, you can get playsets of Erhnam or Serendib for less than $5 if you use the reprints, Italian Thunder Spirits are like $20, with English still available around $45-$50. Juzam of course is irreplaceable.

@joshuabrooks said:

Collectors edition not allowed? That's pretty short-sighted for a company trying to sell product. They have a chance to create a whole new demand on stagnant cards (especially if they promote the format), not to mention make the format more accessible.

Was disappointed to see this. A major retailer pushing the format could make it huge (which might be the opposite of what old school players want), but leaving off CE is a mistake. Old School singles are already creeping into the stratosphere, and many decks being way more expensive than vintage. Juzams, Ehrnam, Serendib, thunder spirit have all spiked hard. No reason to put extra pressure on core set items too.

WPN places that run large events basically doing everything by the book, and that means not allowing IE/IE. This is one of the reasons EC does not host the Old School tournament on site at Eternal Weekend. It's not worth it for large WPN affiliates to potentially damage their relationship with WotC.

IE and CE not being allowed doesn't bother me that much. They have square corners after all. However Shahrazad is allowed and not restricted, and that could be a mistake. I've only played against the card once, and it was back before it was restricted, so my personal experience on the mater is jaded, but it seems ripe for abuse. IE and CE were only added to the list of legal sets by Eternal Central, and I'm not sure how many other places allow for these to be used, but it's a recent change. It's worth noting that it only really adds additional copies of power and maybe Chaos Orb. For everything else, you can just get revised edition or Unlimited.

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