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      A Former User last edited by

      Do you guys know where people go to discuss Old School 93/94 decks etc? NY Old School site points here, but there's nothing here anymore. I wonder if Old School has any hub equivalent of TMD, even on Facebook.

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        Chill79 last edited by

        I have my own 5C control builded but would like to discuss decks/format...

        -Jyri-

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          Hrishi last edited by

          I had requested a sub-forum on 93/94 in this thread. Please upvote!

          http://www.themanadrain.com/topic/37/old-school-93-94-sub-forum

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            A Former User @Hrishi last edited by

            @Hrishi Just did! 🙂
            But I wonder if there's a place people already go to talk about it.

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              Hrishi last edited by

              @fsecco I haven't really found a place. I tried looking a little while ago as well!

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                Smmenen TMD Supporter last edited by

                I don't know about a forum to discuss, but there are lots of websites with lots of great content.

                Most most active plays is the 93/94 blog here.

                Eternal Central also has a bunch of content here.

                And I have an article series here.

                There are also a bunch of Facebook groups that you can join.

                But I'd +1 having an old school sub forum here.

                SCG archive
                EC
                History of Vintage
                Twitter

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                  A Former User @Smmenen last edited by

                  @Smmenen I'm in all of those, Steve, and I love all the content. But I guess it's time we have a subforum here then! 🙂
                  +1 to that too

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                    Lysandros last edited by

                    Second this, an old school sub-forum would be awesome. Also, has anyone else expanded to 95 yet? While I love the nostalgia of 93-94, the game play is fantastic in 95.

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                      enderfall last edited by

                      Is there a FB group for 93/94 in the Northeast? I searched on FB but didn't see anything. I'd be interested in starting one up if none already exist!

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                      • Hrishi
                        Hrishi last edited by

                        @enderfall There is one called "New York Old School MTG".

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                          betasedgetroll last edited by

                          http://www.reddit.com/r/oldschoolmtg is the subreddit for Old School Magic. Not super active but people who follow the format from various different geographies are represented there.

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                            A Former User @betasedgetroll last edited by

                            @eliotd I hate Reddit, I think it's such a mess... But thanks! 🙂

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                            • Gumgod
                              Gumgod last edited by Gumgod

                              I have a bunch of facebook groups linked on my thread on MTG salvation. Many of the facebook groups are full of people trying to move old school cards, but I know I would appreciate more discussion of the format in the groups I follow and the one I admin.

                              @Lysandros said:

                              Second this, an old school sub-forum would be awesome. Also, has anyone else expanded to 95 yet? While I love the nostalgia of 93-94, the game play is fantastic in 95.

                              Eternal Central has a banned list for 95, but I don't see as much discussion about it anywhere. edit: there a new Facebook group for this as well called "Magic 95-96 (Not as old-school as old-school)".

                              Here are the links and resources I've compiled. If you know any I'm missing please let me know:

                              • Old School MTG on Blogspot (the original source for rules & awesome photos of decks).
                              • Eternal Central has a ton of content
                                *Discussion on the "So Many Insane Plays" Podcast.
                              • 93/94 matches on YouTube (Currently there are about 50 videos on this channel, all of them are old school).
                              • Oldschool Magic in Toronto
                              • Magic Time (Italian Old School Magic - they allow FBB and Revised)
                              • Frogczar's 93/94 cube (because cube)
                              • Shoe's Nostalgia Cube (because cube)
                              • NorCal Old School Magic (They allowed Fallen Empires and Chronicles)
                              • Land Lotus Juzam (slightly unrelated, but nostalgic and fun just the same).
                              • QL Magic (Old border magic - the exact opposite of Modern)
                              • 93/94 on Reddit!
                              • OldSchoolMTG on Twitter
                              • An article by Stephen Menendian on the Oldschool Format
                              • www.newyorkoldschoolmtg.com
                              • Understanding Ancestral Recall, an old school blog by Danny Friedman

                              Talk about Old School Magic on Facebook:

                              • 93/94 (The original Old School 93/94 group, by our Swedish friends)
                              • Oldschool Magic (discuss anything Alpha - Urza's block)
                              • Old School MTG Europe (Seems focused around 93/94)
                              • Midwest USA 93/94 Old School Magic
                              • UK Oldschool Magic (93/94)
                              • MTG Magic Old School 93/94 France
                              • East Coast 93/94 Discussion and Marketplace
                              • Magic MTG - Old School 93'/94'
                              • MTG Old School 93/94 International
                              • Chicago/Milwaukee Old School Magic & Vintage
                              • Gothenburg Invitational Old School
                              • Old School Magic Amsterdam
                              • Copenhagen Old School Magic: The Gathering
                              • Old School Magic Quebec
                              • Old school 93-94 Skype Tournaments
                              • Skype Mtg Oldschool league

                              Buy and sell Old School on Facebook

                              • MTG Old School 93/94 Marketplace (International)
                              • MTG Oldschool Market 93/94 (Mostly Italian)
                              • High End Magic for Sale (not strictly old school, but many old school cards are expensive)
                              • East Coast USA Old School Magic & Marketplace

                              A Metal Slime draws near!

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                              • Gumgod
                                Gumgod last edited by Gumgod

                                Channel Fireball is trying to jump into the format by creating their own banned list and legal sets list. They're allowing both Fallen Empires and the book promos.

                                http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/new-format-old-school/?fb_comment_id=fbc_935225053265499_935247983263206_935247983263206#fc5a753cc598e4

                                You can now pre-register for Eternal Central's next old school event.
                                http://www.eternalcentral.com/eternalweekend2016oldschool/

                                I thought these were both interesting enough to justify a bump.

                                Also, it has it's own thread, but there was a nice write up on the history of the deck.
                                http://themanadrain.com/topic/241/free-article-a-complete-history-of-the-deck-1994-2016/2

                                A Metal Slime draws near!

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                                  joshuabrooks TMD Supporter @Gumgod last edited by joshuabrooks

                                  @Gumgod said:

                                  Channel Fireball is trying to jump into the format by creating their own banned list and legal sets list. They're allowing both Fallen Empires and the book promos.

                                  http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/new-format-old-school/?fb_comment_id=fbc_935225053265499_935247983263206_935247983263206#fc5a753cc598e4

                                  Also there's this:

                                  http://www.eternalcentral.com/eternalweekend2016oldschool/

                                  I thought these were both interesting enough to justify a bump.

                                  Also, it has it's own thread, but there was a nice write up on the history of the deck.
                                  http://themanadrain.com/topic/241/free-article-a-complete-history-of-the-deck-1994-2016/2

                                  Collectors edition not allowed? That's pretty short-sighted for a company trying to sell product. They have a chance to create a whole new demand on stagnant cards (especially if they promote the format), not to mention make the format more accessible.

                                  Was disappointed to see this. A major retailer pushing the format could make it huge (which might be the opposite of what old school players want), but leaving off CE is a mistake. Old School singles are already creeping into the stratosphere, and many decks being way more expensive than vintage. Juzams, Ehrnam, Serendib, thunder spirit have all spiked hard. No reason to put extra pressure on core set items too.

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                                    p3temangus @joshuabrooks last edited by

                                    Was disappointed to see this. A major retailer pushing the format could make it huge (which might be the opposite of what old school players want), but leaving off CE is a mistake. Old School singles are already creeping into the stratosphere, and many decks being way more expensive than vintage. Juzams, Ehrnam, Serendib, thunder spirit have all spiked hard. No reason to put extra pressure on core set items too.

                                    Could not agree more. As someone trying to save to get into the format on as much of a budget as possible, it's been challenging watching the "budget" cards increase in price. Even beta basic lands have seen an uptick, and stuff like Beta Lanowar Elves, Kird Apes and the like are both harder to find and more expensive then anticipated.

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                                      Gumgod last edited by Gumgod

                                      There are definitely some questionable choices there, but at least they are allowing reprints which use the original art, so if you need a budget option, Chronicles City of Brass or Revised Island are both playable, even if they aren't pretty. FBB is also an option provided it has the correct art and frame on it. Budget is also an issue for me. Personally I traded all my Beta basics, and I'm using Unlimited Basics in my old school brews now. I'm also probably not going to pick up the other three Triskelions at current AQ prices, but might settle for some reprinted ones.

                                      It's also worth pointing out that they are playing with mana burn rules, which makes cards like Su-Chi and Mana Drain have a potential drawback again.

                                      A Metal Slime draws near!

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                                        rikter @joshuabrooks last edited by

                                        @joshuabrooks said:

                                        @Gumgod said:

                                        Channel Fireball is trying to jump into the format by creating their own banned list and legal sets list. They're allowing both Fallen Empires and the book promos.

                                        http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/new-format-old-school/?fb_comment_id=fbc_935225053265499_935247983263206_935247983263206#fc5a753cc598e4

                                        Also there's this:

                                        http://www.eternalcentral.com/eternalweekend2016oldschool/

                                        I thought these were both interesting enough to justify a bump.

                                        Also, it has it's own thread, but there was a nice write up on the history of the deck.
                                        http://themanadrain.com/topic/241/free-article-a-complete-history-of-the-deck-1994-2016/2

                                        Collectors edition not allowed? That's pretty short-sighted for a company trying to sell product. They have a chance to create a whole new demand on stagnant cards (especially if they promote the format), not to mention make the format more accessible.

                                        Was disappointed to see this. A major retailer pushing the format could make it huge (which might be the opposite of what old school players want), but leaving off CE is a mistake. Old School singles are already creeping into the stratosphere, and many decks being way more expensive than vintage. Juzams, Ehrnam, Serendib, thunder spirit have all spiked hard. No reason to put extra pressure on core set items too.

                                        I think the issue with CE and ICE is that they were never intended to be used in competitive play. With ChannelFireball hosting this event in conjunction with a Grand Prix, I think cards that were not intended for competitive play fall into the same boat as proxies/play test cards and so they get the axe.

                                        Between UL and Revised, and in some cases 4th edition printings of cards, it doesn't have to hurt too much. Your deck won't look as sweet, of course, but you'd have one at least.

                                        Of the efreets you mention though, you can get playsets of Erhnam or Serendib for less than $5 if you use the reprints, Italian Thunder Spirits are like $20, with English still available around $45-$50. Juzam of course is irreplaceable.

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                                          JACO @joshuabrooks last edited by

                                          @joshuabrooks said:

                                          Collectors edition not allowed? That's pretty short-sighted for a company trying to sell product. They have a chance to create a whole new demand on stagnant cards (especially if they promote the format), not to mention make the format more accessible.

                                          Was disappointed to see this. A major retailer pushing the format could make it huge (which might be the opposite of what old school players want), but leaving off CE is a mistake. Old School singles are already creeping into the stratosphere, and many decks being way more expensive than vintage. Juzams, Ehrnam, Serendib, thunder spirit have all spiked hard. No reason to put extra pressure on core set items too.

                                          WPN places that run large events basically doing everything by the book, and that means not allowing IE/IE. This is one of the reasons EC does not host the Old School tournament on site at Eternal Weekend. It's not worth it for large WPN affiliates to potentially damage their relationship with WotC.

                                          Find me on Twitter @JMJACO and @EternalCentral. If you have an interest in Vintage Eldrazi, check out my book Eldrazi Meditations.

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                                          • Gumgod
                                            Gumgod last edited by Gumgod

                                            IE and CE not being allowed doesn't bother me that much. They have square corners after all. However Shahrazad is allowed and not restricted, and that could be a mistake. I've only played against the card once, and it was back before it was restricted, so my personal experience on the mater is jaded, but it seems ripe for abuse. IE and CE were only added to the list of legal sets by Eternal Central, and I'm not sure how many other places allow for these to be used, but it's a recent change. It's worth noting that it only really adds additional copies of power and maybe Chaos Orb. For everything else, you can just get revised edition or Unlimited.

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