@fsecco said in The Reserve List - The Reddest Red Herring:
@maximumcdawg said in The Reserve List - The Reddest Red Herring:
@ambivalentduck said in The Reserve List - The Reddest Red Herring:
advocating specifically and directly for snow duals is almost certainly the best place to focus your energy if you want the List circumvented.
Exactly! Kind of. The place you need to put your energy is into new cards that substitute for RL cards. That is precisely the point I'm making in this thread!
However - Snow Duals specifically don't work. They violate the printed text of the RL. Remember, it says:
A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness
So, if you add the supertype Snow to a Tundra:
Does it have the same card type? Yep.
Same subtype? Yep.
Same abilities? Yep.
Same mana cost? Yep.
Same power and toughness? Yep, and yep.
The supertype never enters into it.
If you were right they'd have never printed Prairie Stream. Or do you count the drawback as an ability?
Also, Snow Duals are obviously too close. But Legendary Duals are not IMO.
I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding me, or I'm not being clear. I am not saying that Snow Duals would be "too close." I am saying that they violate the strict, black-and-white test set out by the RL. Once again: the specific language of the RL prohibits reprinting "functionally identical cards." That term is defined as follows:
A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness.
So, if you want to brainstorm a potential new printing, you must ask these questions:
For each card on the RL:
- Does this new card have the same type?
- Does this new card have the same subtype?
- Does this new card have the same abilities?
- Does this new card have the same mana cost?
- Does this new card have the same power?
- Does this new card have the same toughness?
If the answer to all of those questions is "Yes," then the card may not be printed. End, full stop. We're done. There's no debate. So, whether or not a card has a new supertype or is in a premium form or whatever is just never even relevant. (Since Legendary is a supertype, too... you can do the math.)
As to Prairie Stream, that is fine because you can answer "No" to question 3. It has different abilities, just like Steam Vents does. You may consider them "drawbacks," but that is a value judgment; the printed card text defines various abilities which you might see as good or bad.
Now, if you really want to talk about what is "too close" even if it does pass this test, that's the dark and shadowy world of the "Spirit" of the Reserve List which I can't even venture to comment on except to crinkle my nose like I smelled something bad.