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    • Brass Man
      Brass Man last edited by

      I know I'm not the first person to bring this up, but seriously. Why aren't Merfolk Creature – Fish?

      Leonin? Cats.
      Loxodon? Elephant.
      Nezumi? Rat.

      I think it's pretty well established that everyone thinks this a serious problem.

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      • cutlex
        cutlex TMD Supporter last edited by

        Because Merfolk are a type of fish. You wouldn't label Leonin as mammals.

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        • mediumsteve
          mediumsteve last edited by

          Probably because they aren't purely fish, biologically speaking.

          See: Lorwyn Ponder art.

          The Vintage format lives on broken cards, and I see no reason why there shouldn't be broken cards that benefit my particular deck of choice to an inordinate degree. I mean, that's only fair.

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            Serracollector last edited by

            Because Merfolk are....Merfolk? Thats like asking why are elves, goblins, and orcs not human mutants.

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            • thecravenone
              thecravenone last edited by

              Because Leonin are new and cats already existed but Merfolk are old and an original type?

              Quote from: Stormanimagus on March 16, 2016, 06:39:41 pm
              >Instead of tearing things down we should calmly explain our opinions.

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              • The Atog Lord
                The Atog Lord last edited by

                Best of all, Naga are sometimes snakes and sometimes naga.

                "On the other hand, they have admitted that text matters." -- Smmenen

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                • JonHammack
                  JonHammack last edited by

                  Bounding Krasis looks a lot like a merfolk to me and its a Fish Lizard

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                  • garbageaggro
                    garbageaggro TMD Supporter last edited by

                    A flizzard! I also want to investigate why the average zombie isn't a zombie human, but there are zombie merfolk/goblins/etc.

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                      walking.dude @The Atog Lord last edited by

                      @The-Atog-Lord said in Ichthyan Taxonomy:

                      Best of all, Naga are sometimes snakes and sometimes naga.

                      This is literally the worst thing ever. Naga should be snakes. Everyone reading this should immediately tab over to twitter (if they have it) and tweet mark rosewater that naga should be snakes. If you don't have twitter email him. If you don't have email go to wotc customer service and put in a complaint there.

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                      • Aaron Patten
                        Aaron Patten @walking.dude last edited by

                        @walking.dude With Ixilan on the horizon perhaps all lizard beasts should be dinosaurs as well:
                        http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&subtype=+[lizard]+[beast]

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8

                        Pour me a brew as bitter as my blackened heart.

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                        • GoodGod
                          GoodGod @JonHammack last edited by

                          @JonHammack If this were a Merfolk... ooo, the value with Merrow!

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                          • Topical_Island
                            Topical_Island @Brass Man last edited by

                            @Brass-Man This is pretty much exactly why I don't play as much magic as I did a year ago. Thank you for finally calling out the Loxodon in the room.

                            Brian Kelly Freudian self-analysis of the day:
                            I like to express the id that a player would feel without the superego of being like, "oh you have to be nice."

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                            • albarkhane
                              albarkhane @The Atog Lord last edited by

                              @The-Atog-Lord said in Ichthyan Taxonomy:

                              Best of all, Naga are sometimes snakes and sometimes naga.

                              Please don't mess with snakes ... in french cards, 'snakes' and 'serpents' are both translated as 'serpent' and i saw so many (well at least one actually) people get desperate when they find out that their tribal serpent deck was just falling apart. 😉

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                              • Topical_Island
                                Topical_Island @albarkhane last edited by

                                @albarkhane This is just begging for a format where rules interactions are determined differently based on what it says in the language printed on the card. Imagine all the weird price spikes of random, badly translated Portuguese cards from the mid-2000's. And certainly if we can agree on anything, it's that MTG needs more formats and more rules complications.

                                Brian Kelly Freudian self-analysis of the day:
                                I like to express the id that a player would feel without the superego of being like, "oh you have to be nice."

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                                • The Atog Lord
                                  The Atog Lord last edited by

                                  And none of this really gets into the worst creature-type choice Wizards has made in years: All those stupid Gremlins should have been Atogs. People blame the decline in popularity of Magic on factors like terrible Standard decisions, poor card quality, and poor management of organized play. Those may be secondary factors, but I'm pretty sure the bulk of the blame lies on the shoulders of whichever person decided that Gremlins would be featured in Kaladesh over Atogs.

                                  "On the other hand, they have admitted that text matters." -- Smmenen

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                                  • BazaarOfBaghdad
                                    BazaarOfBaghdad last edited by

                                    I always confused Atogs with Tribbles.

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                                      Wintage last edited by

                                      @Brass-Man said in Ichthyan Taxonomy:

                                      I know I'm not the first person to bring this up, but seriously. Why aren't Merfolk Creature – Fish?

                                      Leonin? Cats.
                                      Loxodon? Elephant.
                                      Nezumi? Rat.

                                      I think it's pretty well established that everyone thinks this a serious problem.

                                      According to that logic shouldn't humans then be Creature - Primate? I think that is the great discrepancy - if you differentiate humans and apes/ monkeys then you have to differ between fish and merfolk as well.

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                                      • albarkhane
                                        albarkhane @Topical_Island last edited by albarkhane

                                        @Topical_Island
                                        Actually, my post was not very serious and i was kidding but still pointing at some very bad translations in foreign languages which leads to some confusion and errors for casual players who won't double check everything. (the exemple i gave did happen actually).

                                        However, if a format like that would exist and produce a tier 1 deck based on some obscure and stupid tribe i buy for it. 🙂

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                                        • Topical_Island
                                          Topical_Island @albarkhane last edited by

                                          @albarkhane Firstly, I loved your post. Secondly, I'm willing to bet actual money that is was not less serious than mine - since that is impossible.

                                          Brian Kelly Freudian self-analysis of the day:
                                          I like to express the id that a player would feel without the superego of being like, "oh you have to be nice."

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                                          • tsoatt
                                            tsoatt TMD Supporter last edited by tsoatt

                                            Merfolk are fish if centaurs are horses. I do agree though that WotC is really messing up their nomenclature, Linnaeus would roll over in his grave if he saw that a group led by a mathematician thought they knew how to classify creatures. This is just the tip of the iceberg though, they insist on making "shiny" cards. Just like the merfolk, I am not a fish and am not enticed by your shinies. Remember when they made Chris Pikula a woman? Or when Bob Maher became Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg? For god's sake they printed trolls after Thrun. They need to be stopped, we need to secure our borders, and not just any borders, I mean pre-eighth borders.

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