@desolutionist Not that I disagree with it being a viable option, but it amazes me that Vintage is in a place where Form of Dragon is a card you might play when if you had said to my younger self that Vintage would be in such a place I would have called you crazy. What a world.
Well even the old versions of Rector played Form of the Dragon. It's quite good. It's a Moat that is also a win condition and gains you life. You get that instead of Bargain against Shops or something. Obviously now it's a little more risky because of the Ravager + Ballista combo and Hangarback Walker.
@desolutionist I was out during the times that deck saw play although that's not too surprising thinking about it. That card's always been sweet when you can cheat it out, albeit slow. The fact that Shops can now just kill you via Ballista or Walker is a pain though.
Form of the Dragon...
I mentioned FoD in post 50, and the deck I linked to from 2007 had it in it.
Creature suite for combo should consider
Mikesus the unhallowed
So, after Flashing in Hulk, the combo is:
Step 1: Put Karmic Guide and Viscera Seer in play.
Step 2: Karmic Guide trigger puts Protean Hulk back into play.
Step 3: Sac Hulk to Viscera Seer to put Mikaeus and Ballista (x=0) into play.
Step 4: The Ballista will die as a statebased effect, but come back into play via Mikaeus as 1/1
Step 5: Sac Ballista as many times as needed to kill an opponent.
Bonus: you can also loop Karmic Guide with Seer to Scry through your entire deck, I believe!
Is that what you had in mind? Nicely done. That is certainly one card smaller than the Reveillark combo, if I understand that correctly.
Also, if I'm understanding this correctly, does this make Micakeus and Ballista a 2 card, 6 mana instant kill in any format?
EDIT: after 2 seconds of web searching, it does appear this is the case:
So you could just hulk in Mikeaus and Ballista
Yeah, makes sense. I can't think of a reason you wouldn't just do that unless you wanted to scry through your whole deck with V Seer & Guide as well. But that does seem superfluous.
It does appear we've found the most compact Hulk kill ever! Just two damn cards!
EDIT, so here is a revised list:
Theoretical Vintage Flash, 7/13/17
4 Protean Hulk
2 Summoner's Pact
1 Walking Ballista
1 V. Seer
1 Karmic Guide
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Gitaxian Probe
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dig Through Time
4 Force of Will
4 Mental Misstep
4 Pact of Negation
1 Chain of Vapor
Seems awesome! I want to play this deck!
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but Mikaeus also grants +1/+1 in addition to undying. Walking Ballista can't die to state-based effects, you need the sacrifice outlet from the original example to sacrifice the 1/1 Ballista to start the chain and each loop after removing the counter. I never thought an anthem effect could make a card worse.
@hierarchnoble ah poop. Seemed to cool to be true
Ah, that explains why we need V Seer & Karmic Guide. Still, that's much better than the Reveillark combo, I think.
But the combo is vulnerable to pretty much everything, from Sudden Shock to Pithing Needle.
@hierarchnoble said in Cards to unrestrict:
If I had access to 4 Flash I'd brew some awful Oops! deck that either cast Flash to trigger Balustrade Spy or to trigger Protean Hulk to find Balustrade Spy and Grand Abolisher.
If your goal is to brew some jank with Flash then what you should do is Flash Gamekeeper to find Emrakul, with Cabal Therapy to sacrifice Gamekeepers to keep the chain going if need be.
If you want protection against reaction, @Smmenen , it only takes one more card:
Viscera Seer/Carrion Feeder
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
Fetch the first three, Shapeshifter is a Protean Hulk, sacrifice it to fetch the last two, you can work it out from there. Grand Abolisher stops Sudden Shock and similar shenanigans.
To your credit, none of that sidesteps the traditional Containment Priest and Grafdigger's Cage attack methods that players have been using against Oath and Dredge. Maybe we'll get Flash back after all.
EDIT: I might be wrong about this one. I can't seem to find a ruling anywhere to verify that Protean Hulk will be on top of Flash once Flash resolves.