April 24th, 2017 Banned and Restricted update: GUSH AND PROBE/TOP in Legacy

@diophan said in April 24th, 2017 Banned and Restricted update: GUSH AND PROBE/TOP in Legacy:

@ajfirecracker Stax was pushed out of the meta due to token generators. Diminishing the number of token decks will help stax but (at least in the short term) diminish the winrate of the current most popular shops decks which feast on token/gush strategies.

Here's the only problem with this theory that other shops decks will compete now that gush is restricted - current shops decks need a natural predator that they have to adapt to. Currently that deck is. . .?????

There also has to be an actual reduction in token strategies for stax to be viable again. Surely in the short term as people who felt gush was the problem explore this may be the case. But I honestly think when the dust settles we are going to have mentor decks (most likely PO mentor) and shops decks very similar to the build we have now.

The reason for this has nothing to do with gush being restricted or unrestricted. We have plenty of fantastic brewers out there like Brian Kelly, Joe Brennan, Josh Potucek and Rich Shay to name a small handful showing the community just how many different decks are viable and competitive. But the community as a whole is going to fall back into the perceived best - which will still be the explosive abilities of mentor.

Short term yes, we'll see some changes, but after 2-3 months we're right back where we were last week: with 2 decks vying for the GOAT title being played by the bulk of the field. And just a note - I'm talking paper meta. No clue how mtgo will shake out.

@wappla First you used Rich's deck choice in a daily to attack him. Then you called him a hypocrite. Then you made a snide remark suggesting he was engaging in self-deception. Then you claim you are the one are being bullied?

Unbelievable.

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@Hrishi Yet, somehow oddly believable. Hooray for inductive reasoning!

wappla bitches more than I do, but

  1. it isn't his 'shtick' like is mine
  2. doesn't have any valid results to warrant being bitchy

Attacking Rich Shay makes me lose all respect for you.

Dear @wappla

Stop being a dick to @The-Atog-Lord . That's my job.

Love,

@The-Gremlin-Lord

Some behaviors merit criticism regardless of who does them. I find the suggestion (which I have seen before) that Rich is singularly immune to criticism to be a disturbing one.

@ajfirecracker said in April 24th, 2017 Banned and Restricted update: GUSH AND PROBE/TOP in Legacy:

Some behaviors merit criticism regardless of who does them. I find the suggestion (which I have seen before) that Rich is singularly immune to criticism to be a disturbing one.

Immune from criticism, no. This is pretty unfair and unwarranted IMO and I think that's what most people have a problem with.

@ChubbyRain Then defend him on that basis, not because he's Rich Shay

@ajfirecracker said in April 24th, 2017 Banned and Restricted update: GUSH AND PROBE/TOP in Legacy:

@ChubbyRain Then defend him on that basis, not because he's Rich Shay

Defend me from what? The grievous crime of playing a Workshop deck?

@ajfirecracker said in April 24th, 2017 Banned and Restricted update: GUSH AND PROBE/TOP in Legacy:

@ChubbyRain Then defend him on that basis, not because he's Rich Shay

I didn't think it was necessary... You are assuming Rich choses decks for DE's based on what he thinks is the "best" deck and that's simply not the case as Rich plays whatever the hell he feels like, including As Foretold PF Oath. It's a flawed argument based on a flawed premise that has since derailed into pure crap and ad hominems.

I have respect for you and wappla. I understand emotions are running high right now, and I'm certainly not a paragon of proper online etiquette, but I honestly feel that this is an unfair accusation.

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@The-Atog-Lord said in April 24th, 2017 Banned and Restricted update: GUSH AND PROBE/TOP in Legacy:

@ajfirecracker said in April 24th, 2017 Banned and Restricted update: GUSH AND PROBE/TOP in Legacy:

@ChubbyRain Then defend him on that basis, not because he's Rich Shay

Defend me from what? The grievous crime of playing a Workshop deck?

According to Dragonlord Ojutai, that actually is a capital offense. You will be receiving your indictment shortly...

@The-Atog-Lord Defend you from criticism, which for some reason a number of people leapt to do. I was obviously talking about criticism (see my comment about how nobody should be immune to criticism)

If you think Wappla is wrong (and I do) the proper response should be "Wappla is wrong and here is a real reason why his thing doesn't make sense" not "Wappla is wrong because he criticized Rich Shay"

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@The-Atog-Lord The crime of playing a Workshop desk...?

YES! Clearly... and don't let it happen again. (Shame! ding-ding. Shame!)

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Truly more people should be publicly shamed and flogged for consorting with the ruinous powers of Mishra. It is simply horrendously unethical to play Spheres in your 75.

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