@bleedth3sky The games I generally lose with aggro shops, car or other wise to mentor, usually involve them having enough removal + snapcastering, that I basically just end up with 0 threats on the board. Cutting threats for more car/equipment feels risky to me because of that. However, I do think that plating can be a powerful card. I believe that @cutlex or @brassman might be able to speak to that further, as I think they both have actually played plating semi-recently in "tiny robots".
After more testing, I have come to this updated list. The disclaimer is that I admit that mono-brown stax is probably a much better deck. However, once I again, i'm challenging myself to optimize Red Shops.
Some things i've noticed:
I took out Tangle Wire. In the current meta, I feel like it's not good enough. The beauty of shops is that because we are a hate deck, we can tailor our hate pieces to the meta. Eventually, I may put Tangle Wire back in but right now, I think Ensnaring Bridge gets the nod.
I've replaced Shattering Spree in the SB with By Force. By Force is an amazing card hold cow.
I'm currently testing Karn. I really like Sundering Titan, but I feel like he's too unreliable without a Welder. Some other fatties I want to test are Razormane Masticore, Triskelion, or Wurmcoil Engine.
Most shop decks have 1 piece of card advantage. This is usually Coercive Portal or Bottled Cloister. I chose Uba Mask, due to it's synergy with Welders and Bazaar.
I really want to find room for either 1 Buried Ruins or 1 Inventor's Fair. The cuts are hard though. I also want to do -1 Goblin Welder and +1 Phyrexian Revoker. Revoker is REALLY good.
So, here is the list:
// Vintage Red Shops 2.0
// 60 Maindeck
// 30 Artifact
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
1 Chalice of the Void
4 Sphere of Resistance
2 Null Rod
3 Crucible of Worlds
1 Mana Crypt
4 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Uba Mask
@PeAcH any chance you can post this to MTGGoldfish? Let me know if you need help doing it. FYI I found out that the website can read any card name in the lists regardless of capitalization as long as the spelling is correct.
@PeAcH you can start an account on MTGGoldfish for free and that allows you to post your results there. It's simple cut and paste and I'd consider it a favor if you all did this. :) let me know if I can help.
I am def gonna have to try the infinite Sunt Titans; for me its a between Pernicous deeds and Trinisphere vs Gush and Win on the spot in this version vs mine. My BURG Sun titan oath deck has very good game against any "Fair" decks like mentor or shops but struggles against storm. This seems better against storm but just weaker to any deck with 4 swords but I need to play wit hit before I know for sure.
I agree, and I retract my out agro statement, Shops with strips and crucibles may be ahead of eldrazi, we'll see:) Def exciting news and if the eldrazi decks are for real they seem to really stick it to Blue:)
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