Been messing around with it for a bit and fast combo seems like hell to play against but the grindy decks don't have any good solutions so far.

Very cool!

@brass-man
That looks nice! Definitely worth trying out.

@revengeanceful I'm not totally up to date with what a mana ability is anymore but no you should not be able to counter a lotus or moxen or sol ring with this because they do not use the stack, they just instantly resolve so long as there are no targets on the mana ability.

The things that it does counter that are pretty interesting are Oath, Survival, Time Vault, Voltaic Key, a bunch of the Tormods Crypt analogues. I believe it can also kill Urza's saga as soon as they play it and trigger the lore counter being added to it, before they can even squeeze it for mana.

@jaeastep I'm not in the area, but I'm excited to see the event! Best of luck!

This is truly amazing content. Thank you for compiling this data and doing the analysis.

@iamactuallylvl1 I obviously cannot take any credit here but I am enjoying that Stone Forge is not creeping into the top tier when there was so much doubt about it's power level.

I think the arch type has a lot of potential in the current meta and will continue to do well.

Card is completely nuts. Trying it out in everything to figure out the best home

@thecravenone how did this turn out, if I may ask?

@babau Maybe? Previous cards that tried to stop Storm by being painful still let the Storm player go off and so they were far less powerful than cards that STOPPED the Storm player. At least this one guarantees lethal damage before the Storm count gets to 9. As turn 1 off a Workshop, I could see it if you needed a narrow answer to Storm.

@thewhitedragon69 You are absolutely correctly, that this is just is. My point here was something that @Smmenen brought up in their last podcast. Vintage has always been a format that exploits fast and free spells. My point about MH1 and MH2 is that we got a lot more "free" spells and many more fast spells that have really locked the format into it's arch types.

I'm not making a judgement, more of a statement about format identity.

@serracollector It's a house in Standard, but I think Traxos just does what this wants to do but better. Yes, this has ward 2, but it doesn't have trample or "vigilance", requires 6 artifacts cast to be the same power of Traxos, and a Force of Vigor really still handles both since getting 2 mana available behind a FoV is small fries in Vintage.

@marland_moore Teferi can be used besides this, they have different play patterns and are not mutually exclusive.

Otwara is a land and therefor not pitchable, a strong attribute of this card, but again not mutually exclusive.

@botvinik This card would have been monster in 4x Karn days, but now that it got the axe, it's have to be a UG fish deck if anything. Otherwise, swan song is just better...or spell pierce.

@dshin
One way to do this (assuming no one already has) would be to make a bot to record play draw and winners and throw it as some of the streamers YouTube vids. This would yield a fairly large data set relative to the rather small vintage community although it would have a number of unfortunate confounding factors.

I'm really excited for this. PTs used to be must watch events for me, and I'm looking forward to watching them again!