Seems very strong with Mindtwist, or Thoughtsieze/Hymn affects. Could a mill variant based around this card as a 4 of become a thing?

As a quick reference, there are currently 2 CE Underground Seas on TCGPlayer, both at roughly $450. As discussed above, making these legal probably won't do any good except for the people who already own them - not that that's a problem, but I just wouldn't expect it to save Vintage.

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I suspect there is a no Bazaar BUGish version that cuts Hollow One down to a one of, plays Prized Amalgam and Gravecrawler in addition to FoW and Missteps. Maybe has room for a Dack or two. I’ll think about what that might look like.

Great podcast as always! Thanks for continuing to put in all this work.

I learned something today! I always thought Shaman's Trance was the same as this card. Ultimately I think that cards that depend on your opponent's deck are too inconsistent for regular play.

The one scenario I missed in your analysis was against storm combo, where you can make mana from their graveyard much more easy and have more of an opportunity to chain these meaningfully. Then again, to get in such a situation probably means you win anyway.

I love that this card exists because it will create a few fun stories. Don't think it eill become a staple.

Thanks to @mediumsteve for organizing and to @nartman99 for doing the write up! I had great fun. I think I was 9th? at 2-3. I played this Aperture Science List:

Aperture Science - (2-3) 1 Mana Vault 1 Coveted Jewel 1 Oracle's Vault 4 Helm of Awakening 4 Grim Monolith 1 Future Sight 4 Forbidden Orchard 1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Blightsteel Colossus 1 Lotus Petal 1 Black Lotus 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Mana Crypt 1 Memory Jar 1 Merchant Scroll 4 Mishra's Workshop 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 4 Mox Opal 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Paradox Engine 4 Paradoxical Outcome 1 Ponder 3 Sensei's Divining Top 1 Sol Ring 1 Temporal Aperture 1 Tezzeret the Seeker 1 Time Vault 1 Time Walk 1 Timetwister 1 Tinker 1 Tolarian Academy 2 Voltaic Key 2 Spire of Industry 1 Azor's Gateway SIDEBOARD 1 Dragon Breath 1 Sorcerous Spyglass 1 Chain of Vapor 3 Nature's Claim 1 Hurkyl's Recall 2 Tormod's Crypt 1 By Force 1 Defense Grid 4 Oath of Druids

Coveted Jewel was pretty fun, only got to play it once. I think that tapping for a lot of colored mana and drawing 3 was pretty good.

I lost mainly due to never actually casting PO. Had a blast! Also thanks to @Prkchpsndwiches for an epic game of "Who's got an Emrakul now?"

Personally I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the idea, but I'm not holding my breath that it'll happen. I'm not worried about the argument that it would make things more difficult for vintage players - there's already an absurd amount of information a vintage player needs to have memorized to play the game ... 25 years of one-off keyword abilities, rules changes, errata. How many cards in the average vintage deck have oracle text that matches their printed text, 30%? Deck construction rules are barely a drop in the bucket, especially considering a player can verify before the tournament starts (there's are plenty of tools that check legality for you), and never have to memorize or think of it ever again. I don't have any reason to think that a semi-restriction system would make the format worse (and for that matter, even though I know boerma was joking, a 3-of rule wouldn't bother me at all, either)

That said, there's an unspoken assumption here that Wizards is having difficulty achieving their desired outcomes through blunt restrictions, and that this would be a tool they could use to more precisely create the outcome they want. I think it's a mistake to assume that Wizards has very strong opinions on what the format should look like, or that they even think there's any consensus metagame target or problem that needs to be addressed.

I think that the amount of work this would take to put together, and more importantly, how it would look to people who DON'T play vintage, both dwarf any desire they have to make the format different than it is now.

(but as an amateur game designer, I'm all about it)

Dredge would likely never cast the second half so mental note and thought scour seem like better options, if only because dredge with mana tends to be rainbow.

And would just need 4 bolts as the finisher.

@fsecco Blue Moon already does well against Shops when I last played it. I had issues with Jeskai and issues with Dredge. This guy may help with Jeskai (he does get Pyroblasted) but does nothing against Dredge.

I like his presence over Sphinx which always just got removed when I played him. If the Sphinx stayed I won in a turn. This guy has a better chance to still and still ends the game in 2 turns with card draw then ultimate 2 turns later to end the game. He does more than Chandra and Teferi for Blue/Red, not sure if he helps as much as Jace.

That is a buttload of Paradoxical Outcomes. Even Oath. Wow.