@ajfirecracker Thanks for the info. After reading @vaughnbros articles elsewhere on the archetype, I am getting that feeling that there is a core and then plenty of space to try out things depending on what decks you think you will face.

Great to see people on here talking about Dredge.

@BazaarOfBaghdad said in Vintage Restricted List Discussion:

@desolutionist That shows that innovation doesn't happen, but the elephant in the room can explain why there isn't innovation.

Because Vintage is driven by a handful of innovators, many of which happened to be at a paper event in Philly?

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Official Tournament Results and Tournament Reports are still subcategories, and reports/results should continue to go there.

Realistically there were very few posts in that category that weren't actually announcements, looking back now I can only find one this entire year. I'm not too worried about the category sounding to broad, but if it ends up being a problem I'll probably change the name

Congrats on the finish. It's always cool to see tournament reports.

I notice you said you guys all drove in from NYC.

Is there a place that holds local events still? And do you know where the "scene" is since neutral ground closed and stopped holding Sunday type one events?

You don't need a live opponent to test against Force of Will. Just ask yourself how wrecked you would be if your opponent had one. Assume your opponent will have one (or Mindbreak Trap) during game 2-3 probably 80% of the time, and any game 1s where you have been scouted for such a deck. For Thorn, you can assume game 1 disruption on probably 50% of the games. Does even casting a t.1 Windfall with 2-4 "free" permanents in play become sufficient to swing the matchup in your favor? Again, an opponent is not terribly necessary for testing purposes.

I have to mention these as well: I happened to really enjoy Final Fantasy 12, and that was remade this year. - very good game, with a high learning curve but definitely a game children can play IMO.

@POXEVERYTURN In my testing TLG hasn't been very tough to get out if you focus on him. The bigger issue is counters but I feel that the deck has a couple of different alternative win conditions.

How'ed this go?

We did indeed fire off. I don't have the results because I (as well as aa couple other regular players) was out of town that weekend. We had 6 players, 2 of which played Merfolk which won the event.

@Trius

I just scooped to the combo :D good games! Card was great in our games!

@BazaarOfBaghdad said in Let's discuss White based hatebears!:

Lots of cards that could be discussed that leave the feeling of hearing only half a story here, but I realize we need to respect your time. Can you at least comment why you don't recommend splashing for another color(s)? - Ramunap, Confidant, Queller are all enticing options with supplemental reasons in those colors to boot. Obviously the Wasteland package might take a hit, so it's a question of gains and losses in card evaluations. How much is the loss of 2-4 Wastelands to the strategy?

It's not that I don't recommend splashing for other colors. In fact, I mention in the opening post that this is just one of many ways to construct a hatebear strategy and that I welcome all discussion on other strategies including other colors as well. You hit the nail on the head with the time issue, though. It would take up a lot of time to write a primer that includes all viable options, especially when considering other colors as well.

That said, I do play other builds as well, including GW and GWB and I think that they are certainly valid directions to go. Ramunap I haven't tested very much, but as I mentioned earlier I think that the best way of exploiting Ramunap is to focus even more on the mana denial strategy. Green certainly offers some very good choices with Ramunap being only one of those. Gaddock Teeg, Qasali Pridemage, Elvish Spirit Guide and even Knight of the Reliquary are all strong. Confidant is obviously a very good card, but I think that's it's not a necessity anymore with the printing of Palace Jailer making the black splash slightly worse than it has been. I have never splashed for blue so I don't know how good Spell Queller is.

One thing to keep in mind when considering splashing for one or more colors is that it's a lot harder to support the Eldrazi Displacer plan and keeping a solid manabase. I'm not saying that that's the only way you should go, but in my opinion Displacer is so strong that it's definitely something to consider. You can play Brushland and Caves of Koilos but it does open up your manabase to Wastelands to a much higher degree than playing only playing one color.

I saw you playing GW a few days ago. What are your thoughts going forward? Any changes you would make to your list?

Fluster storm stops reanimate but not the enchantment based reanimate effects. That could be the reason for the decklist choice.

Will be attending, and I'll have my binder of many (homemade) playtest foils.

I think they're pretty neat-o, and everyone I play will get one! (also people who smile at me, or compliment my eyes)

New additions include Moat, Time Vault, Lion's Eye Diamond, probably something else I can't remember... haha

And I recently finished my painting of City of Traitors, so I put that on a card too. Hope to see folks there and throw down!

@Brass-Man I'd be very interested in some feedback on your tests, if you had time to do some. Do you have enough gas to beat mentor ?