https://www.eternalcentral.com/so-many-insane-plays-podcast-episode-93-august-2019-banned-and-restricted-list-update/

Kevin Cron and Steve Menendian reviw their War of the Spark report card, examine Commander 2019, and dissect the August 26, 2019 Banned and Restricted List update for Vintage.

0:01:00: Announcements
0:05:40: War of the Spark Report Card
0:32:45: Sevinne’s Reclamation
0:48:25: Elsha, the Infinite
0:55:46: Idol of Oblivion
0:57:48: Scroll of Fate
0:59:30: Dockside Extortionist
1:03:00: Banned and Restricted List Announcement – General
1:21:25: Karn and Mystic Forge
1:29:30: Golgari Grave-Troll
1:41:05: Mental Misstep
1:50:00: What makes a “safe” unrestriction?
2:02:09: Fastbond
2:10:40: Conclusion and Predictions
Total runtime: 3:04:24
Show Notes
– August 26 2019 Banned and Restricted List Update

Contact us at @ManyInsanePlays on Twitter or e-mail us at SoManyInsanePlaysPodcast@gmail.com.

I recorded a little video where I shared my reactions to the announcement as well as some analysis about what the restrictions will do to Dredge deck construction going forward. I hope you enjoy!

https://youtu.be/2ae3W1jl0Co

Great article written by Brian DeMars, long time Vintage player and lover, features other big names in the Vintage community along with some thoughts from people on Twitter.

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-restrictions-are-just-a-first-step-toward-fixing-vintage/

Just wanted to make sure that this article got some attention, it is written by Nico Bohny, a great Vintage player and streamer who goes by shir kahn on MODO and streams on twitch at https://www.twitch.tv/busterbohny.

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-state-of-vintage-before-and-after-the-restrictions/

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    @notmi I'm thinking more along the lines of traditional pitch dredge - not the DRS/bazaar/survival type builds. That's a totally different deck imo. If you are running dredgers and dread returns for FKZ or something like that, then it is almost certainly more like traditional dredge than hogaak/vine/drs builds.

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  • @vaughnbros said in Pitch Dredge:

    The Hogaak deck is an offshoot from Dredge and Survival decks essentially getting merged. With how a lot of people have it built, the deck does kind of need Bazaar, but some adjustment can be made to it to play better as a controlish deck. The builds with more Ouphes and Vigors are better for that, in my opinion. Those decks can keep mana denial hands without Bazaar and run down that route.

    That's the route I took when I played Hogaak to the finals of the PAX Vintage Championship earlier this month. I included an answer to mulligans just now, but feel free to discuss other Hogaak-related things there: http://themanadrain.com/topic/3250/pax-vintage-champs-2nd-place-with-hogaak

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  • @botvinik said in PAX Vintage Champs - 2nd Place with Hogaak:

    What are the general mulligan rules for the deck?

    The best heuristic I can come up with is "have a plan". Oftentimes the strongest plan is Bazaar of Baghdad, but that doesn't make this a Mulligan to Bazaar deck. There are many, many lines, especially ones involving Stitcher's Supplier and Once Upon a Time, that can still lead you to powerful starts. Remember, Stitcher's Supplier on turn one sees more cards than Bazaar of Baghdad on turn one. If you're looking at a hand with a bunch of cheap creatures and a Hogaak, see if you can map out a quick line to casting that Hogaak. Don't be afraid to lead on Deathrite Shaman, cycle Hollow Ones, or pitch Vengevines to Force of Vigor to play a more Fish-style game rather than try to go for the nuts every single time. During my finals run I only had the "cheese" hand (Bazaar, two free creatures, one or more Vengevine) three times in nine matches, and one of those times the cheese didn't even pay off because it was too fragile.

    I'm not a content creator, but my friend Justin Gennari is, and he has five five-match MTGO leagues with the deck to showcase some gameplay. I didn't vet these, but oftentimes when I watch him play he explains his opening hands and other thoughts very well. Here are the links to the YouTube playlists when he played the deck in early July, with 25 videos of full matches:

    League 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9BbrWOPpbw&list=PLuKCwwybIAuf5gMXW_XXyF3ARzFxSS0Kb
    League 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOg1f5D-cUQ&list=PLuKCwwybIAufPRrFxqxFD7_5l-qwYN3FW
    League 3&4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwdPsc3U_l8&list=PLuKCwwybIAuf9EB1KXNEkAwaH6pTJVfdM
    League 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQBGwyh2Smk&list=PLuKCwwybIAue5E_k69MUHlKzBnFv4BJSH

    Please let me know if you have any other questions!

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  • The Hogaak deck is an offshoot from Dredge and Survival decks essentially getting merged. With how a lot of people have it built, the deck does kind of need Bazaar, but some adjustment can be made to it to play better as a controlish deck. The builds with more Ouphes and Vigors are better for that, in my opinion. Those decks can keep mana denial hands without Bazaar and run down that route.

    I had played Hermit Druid in these builds, prior to them getting so popular, in the slot of the stitchers. You have to add a couple basic Forests to the deck to not mill yourself though.

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