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 on: Today at 08:43:49 PM 
Started by desolutionist - Last post by policehq
Do you want quickest beat down, or quickest beat down that utilizes cavern of souls? There were those jund decks around the time of alara block that were ridiculously fast, and zoo with all land types represented in duals and tribal flames + might of alara. Cavern of souls, force of will, aether vial, etc. are all at your disposal in merfolk. That sounds like where you want to be... Though I have been inspired to see your goblins list on mtggoldfish, and my fifty ticket legacy deck has cashed a couple of times. There is definitely something to be said for aggro.

Finally, what about that infect blazing shoal list that took first within the past year in some European tourney?

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 on: Today at 08:10:39 PM 
Started by Smmenen - Last post by oshkoshhaitsyosh
The line blurs somewhat between "playable" and "popular" when it comes to tournament results. Is Magus of the Future Vintage playable and somewhat unpopular? Is Notion Thief popular but not really playable (using this as an example as I am well aware of Tom Dixon's dislike of this card)?

Popularity and playability are related though.  A card's playability may hinge on another card's popularity.  

I think Notion Thief and Magus of the Future are playable.  Notion Thief + Dack Fayden is a two-card combo that basically ends the game.  

I had a hilarious game at the Waterbury where I cast Show and Tell and dropped Bargain, by Jeremey Beaver dropped NOtion Thief.  I lost the game right there. 

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I also don't think that omitting Black Lotus or another card is "proving a negative". You generally start by playing Black Lotus and finding that the card does not perform as well as you hoped and that it's not worth the opportunity cost. The tricky thing with Black Lotus is how ubiquitous it is and how powerful the effect *can* be. I'm trusting in Will's, Forino's, and Nick's experience with the card and the deck, which I value over Tom Martell's at this point. I'm not sure this is "empirical", though I definitely have "experienced" being thrashed by all three of them.

And I would agree that all the cards mentioned are playable. Really, Darksteel Juggernaut is tough for red to beat.


Regarding Black Lotus, I wish someone could find the big thread where Nick and I went back and forth, but I do think, taking the other side, that players who've played hundreds of games with a deck can perceive costs or value differences that aren't abstractly visible.  Case in point: the landstill players who cut Time Walk (because a cantrip isn't as valuable as something else in that slot), or, when I was playing mono blue control back in 2004 Vintage Champs Top 8, where I didn't play Brainstorm, but played Impulse because the few times where I didn't have a shuffle effect were unacceptable costs, and all I wanted to was to find the one card I needed.  
Nobody cuts time walk in landstill Stephen  Very Happy ...I agree that lotus isn't needed in Terra Nova for what it's worth

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 on: Today at 08:09:02 PM 
Started by Smmenen - Last post by diophan
So, back to the VSL:

Presumably Rich has a tough matchup this week? The Randy/LSV matchup should be fun to watch. I hope Pikula wins because of all the decklist haters.

Edit: I type LSV every time I want to write VSL.

 4 
 on: Today at 07:00:30 PM 
Started by fsecco - Last post by Protoaddict
Imagine that same situation, except without a mox and with rest in peace.

I cant imagine this card ever being more than a 1 of in the first place because its high cost for the list and legendary, so its not reliable hate on its own as it is so you would have to use rest in peace or cage as well, and at that point you would probably want them over this in the dredge matchup anyways. If thoes are your hate cards, this is just a big dude, and those are readily available.

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 on: Today at 06:41:54 PM 
Started by MaximumCDawg - Last post by ben_berry
Legacy Sneak and Show maybe? Put her into play of sneak attack, cast 2 revealed cantrips to find Emerakul.

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 on: Today at 05:31:06 PM 
Started by fsecco - Last post by serracollector
It does not have to be in humans. i mean wbg hatebear decks can easily abuse it. imagine turn one dryad then turn two this w a mox against dredge. not to mention tip also stop a lot of welder tricks not just including strix.

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 on: Today at 05:28:53 PM 
Started by Smmenen - Last post by Smmenen
The line blurs somewhat between "playable" and "popular" when it comes to tournament results. Is Magus of the Future Vintage playable and somewhat unpopular? Is Notion Thief popular but not really playable (using this as an example as I am well aware of Tom Dixon's dislike of this card)?

Popularity and playability are related though.  A card's playability may hinge on another card's popularity.  

I think Notion Thief and Magus of the Future are playable.  Notion Thief + Dack Fayden is a two-card combo that basically ends the game.  

I had a hilarious game at the Waterbury where I cast Show and Tell and dropped Bargain, by Jeremey Beaver dropped NOtion Thief.  I lost the game right there. 

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I also don't think that omitting Black Lotus or another card is "proving a negative". You generally start by playing Black Lotus and finding that the card does not perform as well as you hoped and that it's not worth the opportunity cost. The tricky thing with Black Lotus is how ubiquitous it is and how powerful the effect *can* be. I'm trusting in Will's, Forino's, and Nick's experience with the card and the deck, which I value over Tom Martell's at this point. I'm not sure this is "empirical", though I definitely have "experienced" being thrashed by all three of them.

And I would agree that all the cards mentioned are playable. Really, Darksteel Juggernaut is tough for red to beat.


Regarding Black Lotus, I wish someone could find the big thread where Nick and I went back and forth, but I do think, taking the other side, that players who've played hundreds of games with a deck can perceive costs or value differences that aren't abstractly visible.  Case in point: the landstill players who cut Time Walk (because a cantrip isn't as valuable as something else in that slot), or, when I was playing mono blue control back in 2004 Vintage Champs Top 8, where I didn't play Brainstorm, but played Impulse because the few times where I didn't have a shuffle effect were unacceptable costs, and all I wanted to was to find the one card I needed.  

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 on: Today at 05:26:29 PM 
Started by MaximumCDawg - Last post by MaximumCDawg
I immediately saw this as an oath creature. Its half the cards of gripslebrand but they are free and dont cost you life.

Yikes, I don't know if I'd go that far.  Gristlebrand puts 7 to 14 cards into your hand when you need it, and you can do it as much or as little as you need to, at instant speed.  Narset casts little mini Mind's Desires for you starting the turn after you summon her.  It's not really the same kind of thing.

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 on: Today at 05:23:20 PM 
Started by Kameli0n - Last post by Samoht
Wrong area code as well!

We'll see! I haven't done well out at Shawn's yet, so I think this will be my coming out party!

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 on: Today at 05:22:08 PM 
Started by MaximumCDawg - Last post by serracollector
I immediately saw this as an oath creature. Its half the cards of gripslebrand but they are free and dont cost you life.

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