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  The Mana Drain user changes
  • VintageFamiliar

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  I also realize this is an old thread, but since it's stickied I'm going to post here anyway.

  My old username on TMD was JDawg13, and I was a fairly active member in the early-mid 2000s. I sold off my whole Magic collection in 2007. Most of my Magic playing these days is draft and cube, but I have recently started thinking about getting back into paper Vintage after dabbling a bit on MTGO. This new username is the same one I use everywhere online.

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  MTGO Vintage players contact info
  • garbageaggro

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  I'm RagingRiver on MTGO. I only play weird jonnie brews. Currently testing blue aggro shops, mono-white mentor, weird white lock decks, kobold storm…you get the idea ;)
  I don't play super often. Usually 10pm-2am eastern time.

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  Vintage Restricted List Discussion
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  @BazaarOfBaghdad said in Vintage Restricted List Discussion:

  @desolutionist That shows that innovation doesn't happen, but the elephant in the room can explain why there isn't innovation.

  Because Vintage is driven by a handful of innovators, many of which happened to be at a paper event in Philly?

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  Cards to unrestrict
  • walking.dude

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  You don't need a live opponent to test against Force of Will. Just ask yourself how wrecked you would be if your opponent had one. Assume your opponent will have one (or Mindbreak Trap) during game 2-3 probably 80% of the time, and any game 1s where you have been scouted for such a deck. For Thorn, you can assume game 1 disruption on probably 50% of the games. Does even casting a t.1 Windfall with 2-4 "free" permanents in play become sufficient to swing the matchup in your favor? Again, an opponent is not terribly necessary for testing purposes.

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  How did you start playing Vintage?
  • stsung

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  Fortunate enough to have started MTG during Beta, but then unfortunate in terms of having my ridiculously valuable collection stolen a few years later. It was definitely a different game back then. I remember everyone's excitement when Colossus of Sardia came out because 9/9 was suddenly the new 8/8. I also remember the release of Antiquities especially because I traded for all my friends' Moxen and Lotuses to create an Atog deck with all artifact mana. I think at one point I had 30 Moxes and 5 Lotuses. Again, quite a ridiculous collection. Of course, most of us were also playing "house rules" back then, and commonly this included drawing two cards per turn and playing as many lands as you like per turn. This obviously devalued things like Moxen, Lotus, Ancestral, and Library in our circle, so I'd pick up a couple Moxen on trades for something silly like a Lord of the Pit. Ah, the good old days.

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  Lone Star Lhurgoyfs Season 1 Invitational July 29th
  • thecravenone

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  Vintage in Southern PA
  pennsylvania • • POXEVERYTURN

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  @studderingdave Excellent. I look forward to meeting at one of the events!

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  Saltiness on MODO
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  I have not had too much issue with salty players in vintage. Definitely in other formats on MTGO. I just ignore the chat if that's how they behave. It's them not having fun, not me. plus, they are only salty when they lose, which means I won against a salty jerk that deserved to lose anyways. Feels even better than a normal win to me!

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  Ethical Dilemma: Scooping on MTGO
  • ChubbyRain

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  @Log Yeah, that was precisely the one score that got both teams through as well. A 1-1 draw would have left them with to few goals scored and Italy would have advanced. Good thing they "happened" to play a 2-2 draw then.... The Italian press was furious about it if I remember correctly.

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  Summer "Edgar" Magic
  • countbeckula

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  My eyes literally widened as I read your post. Compared to the average magic player, I have a pretty nice collection, but I've never really been at the dealer/hardcore collector level. The legend of Summer Magic has been in the back of my mind since long before I owned my first piece of power or played my first game of vintage. There are people out there with a lot more kicking around, but some of my most prized MtG possessions are my 2x Summer Island and 1x Summer Brass Man. While I own cards that are more expensive, my summer cards seem somehow more special to me. I've seen plenty of Alpha Black Lotus at vintage tournaments, my Summer Brass Man is the only I've ever seen in person.

  While I'm sad to hear that you lost your summer collection in 1997, I'm also a little bit jealous that you got to be a part of magic history in that way.

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  New YouTube Channel dedicated to Vintage
  • draw3

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  @Tom-Bombadil
  I'll always respect the argument that Lotus is the best card, but did you ever actually play back when we were running 4x Chaos Orbs? Again, no disrespect to your opinion, and you may even be correct. It's a sound and popular opinion anyway. I would say there have also been eras in MTG history where Library was clearly the best card, and of course Ancestral. Nothing really compared to the Orb, however.

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  Favorite Abnormal Victories
  • KingLeovold

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  I also know there has been some debate here recently insofar as speed vs. diversity, and I for one have no problem with adding a modicum of speed to encourage said diversity. I've been on both sides of a first-turn kill plenty of times, but that's just POWER VINTAGE to me and I love it. I expect I'm entirely on the fringe of this community here in many respects, but I'd advocate unrestricting/unbanning cards like Strip Mine and Chaos Orb (truly the most powerful card ever) to really shake things up in the format. In any event, I surely always enjoy TMD for these discussions.

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  Vintage Side Events at Upcoming GPs
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  Allowing registered sex offenders to participate in unsanctioned tournaments:
  • Juggernaut GO

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  Barring other information I'd err on the side of, if they are DCI approved you should let them participate. If not, you should make it very clear in your announcement. For example if you don't want say Alex Bertocini in your event, that is completely justifiable. He's a cheater, a thief and a piece of shit who defrauded dozens (?) of participants out of the opportunity to win. But he may be able to legally play soon, he was wandering around GP Vegas. You could clearly post that anyone who has been DCI Suspended isn't eligible, or has been suspended in the past 5 years, or whatever really as long as its communicated and the player doesn't expend the effort to come only to be turned away at runtime.

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  Monthly Vintage Cedar Springs MI
  • mourningpalace

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  I'm back....after almost 15 years
  • jazzykat

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  Nice to meat you! Welcome back.

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  Magic the pulse
  • ReneRandrup

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  @BazaarOfBaghdad I don't want to reward anyone. I'm fine with competitive environments rewarding people who study. If their study is 4th rate... then I assume there are three levels of study that would be rewarded more. So I don't think the 4th rate studiers are really going to be the problem either way. If you mean that study itself is low on the hierarchy of skills by which winning is decided... then why even worry about it right? Anyway, I'm pretty sure all of the best players do this to some extent. (Largely because I observe very good players who stream actually do it.)

  A person started a thread asking for information on how to scout magic players and decks. They asked on a website dedicated to sharing information about magic. I have no problem with that. Some people in the thread responded by criticizing scouting itself, which is fine too. But let me say that I'm fine with scouting, because it rewards people who do extra work and want to win. Every other competitive environment that I know of, already does that. I don't see why MTG should, or even could easily be different.

  I think the short answer to your question is yes... yes I do.

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  Assistance in collecting data for the new MTGO Vintage Challenges
  mtgo p9 mtgo metagame report • • diophan

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  @desolutionist I believe mtggoldfish had a bot to scrape data from all the events, so it's definitely possible. It's not like MTGO has an API to pull this data from though so I never seriously considered attempting to automate this. It would certainly be great if someone wants to look into this route.

  As a less daunting task, someone could figure out how to take a screengrab of the results from every round and convert it into text that's easier to work with. Several of us tried to figure out a way to do this over a year ago, but after minimal effort led to incomplete results we gave up. It's much easier to do metagame analyses for paper events because I just open the .WER file in notepad and parse the results.

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  Some of my unique stolen cards have been recovered. :)
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  I followed up investigation by going to Davis PD, and an officer met me at the shop in Davis where cards were found. He was as helpful as he could be without say, helping. (He is not sure that the cards can be proven to be unique as there are no serial numbers etc. )
  So I will have to find the seller of my cards myself. I'm thinking of making a fun video (since I have a studio and jump at any chance to use it) to get the seller to come to me.
  Now I have to go to work, but I thought I'd leave this update here in case there is a better plan that what I have come up with.
  List of cards with detail are on my Google Doc, I will post in all the FB sites where Magic happens in NorCal, personally contact each store to let them know how to find list of cards in case they got any of them at their store. Make video to get seller to come to me.
  THEN hand off to police.

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  mtgo price list?...at the tail of the curve?
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  Scryfall.com has pretty good price data and searching.