@revengeanceful I'm not totally up to date with what a mana ability is anymore but no you should not be able to counter a lotus or moxen or sol ring with this because they do not use the stack, they just instantly resolve so long as there are no targets on the mana ability.

The things that it does counter that are pretty interesting are Oath, Survival, Time Vault, Voltaic Key, a bunch of the Tormods Crypt analogues. I believe it can also kill Urza's saga as soon as they play it and trigger the lore counter being added to it, before they can even squeeze it for mana.

Card is completely nuts. Trying it out in everything to figure out the best home

@babau Maybe? Previous cards that tried to stop Storm by being painful still let the Storm player go off and so they were far less powerful than cards that STOPPED the Storm player. At least this one guarantees lethal damage before the Storm count gets to 9. As turn 1 off a Workshop, I could see it if you needed a narrow answer to Storm.

@serracollector It's a house in Standard, but I think Traxos just does what this wants to do but better. Yes, this has ward 2, but it doesn't have trample or "vigilance", requires 6 artifacts cast to be the same power of Traxos, and a Force of Vigor really still handles both since getting 2 mana available behind a FoV is small fries in Vintage.

@marland_moore Teferi can be used besides this, they have different play patterns and are not mutually exclusive.

Otwara is a land and therefor not pitchable, a strong attribute of this card, but again not mutually exclusive.

@botvinik This card would have been monster in 4x Karn days, but now that it got the axe, it's have to be a UG fish deck if anything. Otherwise, swan song is just better...or spell pierce.

@botvinik said in [NEO] Boseiju, Who Endures:

I'll agree that they DID live in a world alone. Now, I think, they have a new addition to that party. As far as the 4-of inclusion of Boseiju, if you are running green, the first one is always, at worst, an untapped land. The second, at worst, is always an extra green mana land drop for the turn (tap the 1st, sac it to the legend rule) that you can get back with crucible effects. The 3rd and 4th...assuming there's NO artifact, land, or enchantment in the matchup you want to blow up, just adds to your odds of drawing #1 and #2 early when needed. I suppose in those cases it is close to a dead card....but then again, there are equally and probably more cases where FoW is a blank.

The BEST case, you have 4x game wreckers in 1 card, whereas forces are a 1-for-2 (unless you pay 5, which nobody does). I think green is just a less played color in general, and it has no room in a UB storm deck, but if you lean on green at all, this card is assassin's trophy on crack.

There have been decks running blue that don't run FoW because they can't support the blue count to pitch-cast FoW. I'd be hard pressed to think of any deck running green that doesn't at least run 1x-2x Boseiju going forward. There have even been UBg storm/doomsday decks that splash just for assassin's trophy to stop null rod or other show-stoppers. This card is just 100x better.

I think I stumbled onto something in developing decks for this combo, maybe even broken. I could use some help confirming this but I think if you have a lot of mana to start off with you just need Artificer's Intuition to win the game with Bag of Holding and the following cards within a Paradoxical Outcome shell.

In a Paradoxical Outcome shell include:
2-4x Artificer's Intuition
1x Bag of Holding
1x Lion's Eye Diamond
1x Elixir of Immortality
(maybe Expedition Map for Tolarian Academy)
1x Black Lotus (already included in just about every deck)

Kind of use the Containment Construct combo with Bag of Holding instead, it requires much more mana to start off with but I think it can work.

This is the archetype it would go in. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/vintage-8-cast#paper

Currently just over 3% of the meta.

I would have played it if it hit saga. As it does not I think Deed is just better in Vintage

@reprint I mean, you can very actively take your high horse and shove it, until Maro posted a clarification that was on twitter and not on the official wizards channels this was entirely new to the format.

@marland_moore In Christmasland scenarios where you play Urza and activate Karn in the same turn, Kaya is better. In 99% other scenarios, Copy Artifact is cheaper, on color and more flexible.

An issue with this card is that it's a bad turn 1 play on the play as there is often nothing to exile except maybe a land. But I do like a lot the flexibility it has over similar cards as you get some immediate value, and you get more of a choice on what you want to hate on.

@blindtherapy I mean this is a side grade in the same way that all 1 mana grave hate artifacts are. It is probably more of a side grade to soul guide lantern than relic to be honest.

@moorebrother1 To be clear, I agree with your conclusion that the card is unlikely to see a lot of play, but I don't think it's because of Ragavan and DRC. I just don't think you can reliably play a 1RR card in basically any deck.

@protoaddict said in [VOW] Cultivator Colossus:

There are also the DFCs from Zendikar so you could conceivably stack the deck with cards this sees as lands, though most of them would probably be too weak.

the DFCs work the opposite of this way; they are all lands on the back.

this card combos with Abundance to put all your lands into play tapped and then put the rest of your deck in any order; this is probably just an EDH card.

@protoaddict said in [VOW] Grolnok, the Omnivore:

How does this interact with Leyline of the void, would you get your counters? if so it could be a good bullet against that.

you get nothing vs a leyline, because they need to actually hit the yard for grolnok to trigger; leyline or rip just shit it down entirely.

Why not play both!?!? (Hint: because you would be playing a very, very, very bad deck)